New TSA Rule

Maybe if enough CFIs toss it in, the remaining ones could charge more, flying would become more expensive, fewer people will go for advanced ratings (such as ATP) in the United States, and eventually, the airlines will all be flown by foreigners.

But you'll feel safer knowing there are no little airplanes flying any more.

Jose

.... and can't you just imagine the TSA's response?

sarcasm on
I think they'll be proud....

"As a result of new security measures...

That was scary enough that I googled it to be sure it wasn't already true.

Jose

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
I'll still vote for [snipped...]

I have no idea how this thread got to be a "I'm voting for lame candidate
of your choice here" thread. But if you thought that's what I was talking
about, you seriously misinterpreted what I wrote.

[...] That seems to be about as logical
of a reason as criticizing him for things he had no control over.

No one's done that. Not here in this thread, least of all me. Seems like
you're a little over-sensitive about that topic. I wonder why...

..... and can't you just imagine the TSA's response?

sarcasm on
I think they'll be proud....

"As a result of new security measures, the Transportation Safety
Administration has brought regulation, supervision, and security to a
potentially dangerous and formerly unmonitored segment of this nations
transportation system. Under the new TSA Rules, the number of FAA Certified
Flight Instructors acting independently, not affiliated, supervised, or
regulated by a major flight training center or organization, has been
dramatically reduced. Many of these part time instructors where not
employed by an officially recognized flight school or training center, but
where independent part time freelancers able to teach any individual,
foreign or domestic, legal or illegal, how to fly. The majority of these
independent Flight Instructors acted as such purely on a part time basis and
held full time positions in other occupations, again most of which were not
even aviation related. Most of these independent instructors spent very
little time actually at the airport, some only a few hours a week. Clearly
these individual instructors are unable to monitor the daily security
concerns that this Administration feels need to be closely attended to. We
believe that educating pilots belongs solely in the hands of professional
full time instructors that can monitor the safety and security of this
nation's aircraft, airports, and the citizens of surrounding communities.
We believe this to be a major step forward in the war against terrorism. No
longer can just any instructor certified by the FAA pick up new customers
out of the taverns, street corners, and back alleys, with little concern for
the security or safety of these United States, and proceed to put that
individual in the captain's seat of an airliner ready to carry hundreds of
people to their death. This is clearly a safer and better day for the
citizens of the United States of America!"

sarcasm off

I'll still vote for Bush. Under his Administration I've been able to get my
Commercial certificate, my AGI, IGI, CFI, CFII, Multi-rating, bought an
airplane and even paid for it. All on a part time basis while farming full
time and not even going broke doing it. That seems to be about as logical
of a reason as criticizing him for things he had no control over.

Jim

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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A better question would be "I wonder how many independent CFI's will say
"screw it" and give up instructing.

Interesting you mention that. I'm in a somewhat unique situation, having
started work on my flight instructor certificate just before my son was
born, and now (having put that work on hold for awhile, as I enjoy being a
dad and have lots of other distractions as well) I'm wondering if I should
even bother finishing up getting my flight instructor certificate.

I thought about mentioning that in response to this thread, but decided
not
to, figuring my situation was so uncommon as to be irrelevant. But you're
right...there are plenty of people *already* flight instructors who may
also
just give it up.

I have a hard enough time fighting various regulations that try to simply
prevent me from flying altogether. It is becoming increasingly difficult
for me to justify jumping through all the ridiculous hoops required to go
beyond my private-pilot oriented activities. Frankly, I've got plenty of
other interests to keep me busy, and some of those will help pay for my
regular flying a lot better than instructing would. I'm sure I'd enjoy
the
instructing part of instructing, but when the job winds up being too much
non-instructing stuff, it's just not worth it.

So, you ask "Just how much nonsense are we going to put up with?" Well,
personally, I've had just about my fill. I think I'm about done...I love
flying, but in this environment it's difficult to justify the headaches.

Pete




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I wasn't responding directly to your post, sorry. I'm frustrated with the
whole mess just like you are. My political comments were a not too clearly
explained comparison and after thought of how screwed up the TSA mess has
become with how ridiculous the campaigning has become. It should have came
out more along the lines of "just how much do they think we'll believe and
put up with".
Jim

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
I'll still vote for [snipped...]

I have no idea how this thread got to be a "I'm voting for lame candidate
of your choice here" thread. But if you thought that's what I was
talking
about, you seriously misinterpreted what I wrote.

[...] That seems to be about as logical
of a reason as criticizing him for things he had no control over.

No one's done that. Not here in this thread, least of all me. Seems like
you're a little over-sensitive about that topic. I wonder why...




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"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:vDCdd.34288$bk1.32137@fed1read05...
the only "cost" to the new Rule for an FBO is to see, copy and maintain a
file for proof of US Cit.

how many FBOs country wide have to deal with foreign nationals or green
card
holders.

I'd guess the ones who don't would be an anomaly. Remember there are over 11
million green card holders alone, and according to AOPA they are 13% of the
pilot population.


-- David Brooks

"Jose" wrote in message
. com...
Maybe if enough CFIs toss it in, the remaining ones could charge more,
flying would become more expensive, fewer people will go for advanced
ratings (such as ATP) in the United States, and eventually, the airlines
will all be flown by foreigners.

But you'll feel safer knowing there are no little airplanes flying any
more.

Jose

The foreigners who normally learn in the US will not be able to either so
the airlines just wont fly.

The foreigners who normally learn in the US will not be able to either so
the airlines just wont fly.

Oh, sorry, I forgot. The US is the only place where one can learn to fly.

Silly me.

Jose

"Jim Burns" wrote in message ...
I wasn't responding directly to your post, sorry. I'm frustrated with the
whole mess just like you are. My political comments were a not too clearly
explained comparison and after thought of how screwed up the TSA mess has
become with how ridiculous the campaigning has become. It should have came
out more along the lines of "just how much do they think we'll believe and
put up with".
Jim

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...
I'll still vote for [snipped...]

I have no idea how this thread got to be a "I'm voting for lame candidate
of your choice here" thread. But if you thought that's what I was
talking
about, you seriously misinterpreted what I wrote.

[...] That seems to be about as logical
of a reason as criticizing him for things he had no control over.

No one's done that. Not here in this thread, least of all me. Seems like
you're a little over-sensitive about that topic. I wonder why...



The terrorists just keep on winning and winning. They don't even have to do anything, the vortex of fear stirred by
politicians is enough to keep it going...