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Is Art Kramer the worst military veteran in American history?
On the contrary, it's nice to see adult behavior now and again. You sound like a tight assed twit .. |
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"Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. ignore him as if he were a troll or loon (he's neither), ?---------------? as he clearly craves attention. Guy, the parenthetical aside is a tad counter intuitive in combination with that final clause. |
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John Keeney wrote:
"Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. ignore him as if he were a troll or loon (he's neither), ?---------------? as he clearly craves attention. Guy, the parenthetical aside is a tad counter intuitive in combination with that final clause. And yet I believe it to be accurate; you don't have to consider someone to fall in either of those categories to decide that similar treatment is the most appropriate response. Art is often a PITA but he isn't incoherent like say zzbunker, nor does he rave about black helicopters. He's grounded in reality (a highly self-centered reality to be sure, and one that I often find ludicrous), and IMO he isn't posting just to stir things up. In short, he may be obnoxious and crave attention (as we all do to one degree or another), but he's not crazy or an agent provocateur. IMO the most appropriate response for all three conditions is the same. Assuming that the intent of his many opponents is to get him to change his behavior or beliefs, it's clear and has been for years that their current approach is wholly ineffective -- YVMD. Of course, if all they wish to do is exchange childish insults with him to see who'll give up first, it's a different matter, but most of them strike me as being capable of more maturity than that. I just wish that more of them would exercise that maturity, and a reminder of the adage about mud wrestling with a pig will hopefully help them do so. I'm tired of having to delete numerous off-topic threads that should be taken to more appropriate forums or private email if they insist on continuing them, but I realize that I have no more or less right than anyone else to use usenet as I see fit. Since dictatorship isn't an option I'm hoping a rational argument will work. As I know the internet but can still hold out such hope, that may be all the evidence anyone needs that I'm the biggest loon here. Guy |
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"Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. John Keeney wrote: "Guy Alcala" wrote in message . .. ignore him as if he were a troll or loon (he's neither), ?---------------? as he clearly craves attention. Guy, the parenthetical aside is a tad counter intuitive in combination with that final clause. And yet I believe it to be accurate; you don't have to consider someone to fall in either of those categories to decide that similar treatment is the most appropriate response. Art is often a PITA but he isn't incoherent like say zzbunker, nor does he rave about black helicopters. He's grounded in reality (a highly self-centered reality to be sure, and one that I often find ludicrous), and IMO he isn't posting just to stir things up. In short, he may be obnoxious and crave attention (as we all do to one degree or another), but he's not crazy or an agent provocateur. Have you missed his posts on the political front??! And you can say with a straight face he does not post "just to stir things up"? IMO the most appropriate response for all three conditions is the same. Assuming that the intent of his many opponents is to get him to change his behavior or beliefs, it's clear and has been for years that their current approach is wholly ineffective -- YVMD. No, the intent of some of us is to remind those that leap to kiss his butt, and any newbies about, that Art (a) can't be trusted to supply accurate information *even* about his own very specific area of familiarization, (b) is wildly inaccurate when it comes to WWII in general, (c) is NO model for "The Great Vet", given his propensity to denigrate the efforts and service of others who served alongside him and those that followed, and (d) lacks the integrity and courage to ever admit, "Oops, I was wrong about that" (see his refusal to admit that the Guard had been mobilized in toto long before he ever entered the service). It may keep some poor new soul from falling into the trap of thinking Art can be trusted (like I did, loooong ago). Of course, if all they wish to do is exchange childish insults with him to see who'll give up first, it's a different matter, but most of them strike me as being capable of more maturity than that. I just wish that more of them would exercise that maturity, and a reminder of the adage about mud wrestling with a pig will hopefully help them do so. I'm tired of having to delete numerous off-topic threads that should be taken to more appropriate forums or private email if they insist on continuing them, but I realize that I have no more or less right than anyone else to use usenet as I see fit. Since dictatorship isn't an option I'm hoping a rational argument will work. As I know the internet but can still hold out such hope, that may be all the evidence anyone needs that I'm the biggest loon here. There is where you differ from Art--he decries the OT posting in one breath, then starts a new OT thread with his next post. Brooks Guy |
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