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ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431) Date: 9/5/2004 3:45 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: From: "Bob Coe" snip You signed-up to ride around in an airplane at the governments expense, take the cash, and the heated barracks, and lay around like a ****ing queen, while real men fought. Bob, that was uncalled for. Whatever else Art is he did serve in real combat in the air. It was nothing like the ground war I experienced in Viet Nam, but it was war. No need to stoop to his level. Besides, not all AAF crews slept in barracks, many stayed in unheated tents. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Unheated tents all the way including the bitter cold winter of 1944-45 outside Bastogne. Note that Coe never fought at all. Just like a neocon. The cowards attack the soldiers. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll" Date: 9/5/2004 3:33 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: et "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... It wasn't an opinion. Anybody that knows anything about the Martin B-26 knows it had the lowest loss rate. But don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. Any B-26 reference will show it. You are confusing losses in combat and losses in training. I'm not confusing anything. Obviously you're no expert on the B-26. Why, you're just a wannabe! Neocon logic. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431) Date: 9/5/2004 3:41 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/5/2004 3:56 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: "Kevin Brooks" Date: 9/5/2004 1:09 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "George Z. Bush" wrote in message ... Jack G wrote: OK Art, tell that to a combat Marine - face to face. If all that happens is he asks you where you fought - and then laughs in your face when you tell him you will be a very lucky man. Jack G. Just for the record, Jack, during WWII, the 8th Air Force sustained more casualties over Europe than the entire United States Marine Corps did world-wide throughout the entire war. If you don't believe me, just ask Google the right questions and they'll provide the same answer that I just did....I know because I've already done it. You must have done it wrong. "Half of the U.S. Army Air Forces' casualties in World War II were suffered by Eighth Air Force (more than 47,000 casualties with more than 26,000 dead)." (http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usaf/8af.htm ) USMC casualties for the war totalled some ninety thousand, out of some 669K who served in the USMC. Last I heard 90K was more than 47K. True, more 8th AF personnel *died* in combat than Marines, but that is not what you said. Your use of "casualty" is normally inclusive of wounded, deaths due to other than combat causes, and MIA. Brooks George Z. And exactly what is your combat experience wannabee? Marines? Air Corps? A desk in the states? Anything at all? Arthur Kramer I get it now, being a passenger on a B-26 makes you an expert on WW2 casualties and an expert on all things 8th AF? Get over yourself, art, the facts and figures in print are derived from official records. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired The guys who wrote the records weren't there. And neither were you.. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
Neocon logic. What's a neocon? |
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431) Date: 9/5/2004 3:42 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/5/2004 2:26 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: (BUFDRVR) Date: 9/5/2004 11:52 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: ArtKramr wrote: How come you didn't join the Marines and volunteer for the Pacific? The Army Air Corps was a tougher outift that took higher losses. When you joined this was not only uncertain, but being touted as highly unlikely, so don't give us this line of crap about joining because you knew where the toughest action was going to be. The USAAF may have taken more caualties in gross numbers, but the USMC in the Pacific had a much higher percentage rate. Do a google on Tarawa. BUFDRVR Get back to me after you have fought in a real war. You are all ****ed up. The Army AIr Corps had the highest percentage But you fought in neither the AAC or the Mairnes. so what the hell do you know about anything? . Arthur Kramer You weren't in the AAC either, art. It went out of business in 1941. You were in the USAAF. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired Bull****. I have in front of me my report of separation of service dated 16 August 1946 and under Branch it is clearly marked Army Air Corps. Can't you get anything right? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
The guys who wrote the records weren't there. And neither were you.. How do you know? Did you falsify the records? Give them **** in the report? |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
Note that Coe never fought at all. Just like a neocon. How would you know? What's a neocon? |
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431) Date: 9/5/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: From: "Kevin Brooks" Date: 9/5/2004 3:18 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "George Z. Bush" snip the usual george z manure That's just for the record, of course. Then your records are all screwed up. Brooks First thing you have to understand is george z is a manure salesman with a mouthful of samples. The second thing is he was never in the military and has never bothered to figure out how the military actually works. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired I think Geoirge Z flew C-47's in WW II as a troop carrier pilot. It's about time you told us what you did instead of attacking everyone while you conceal your great combat experiences. You get more like Bush every day. .. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO ! Arthur Kramer Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission including you. You know, Art, I respect all who served their country. I haven't been in the military but, as one of the protected. I respect my protectors- all of them. It's a little unseemly how you feel that your actions at least 58 years ago somehow make your opinions on battle more worthy than others. You flew in a plane and risked your life. I respect that fact but it just doesn't make your opinon worth any more than anyone else. I can read accounts of battle and I have heard plenty of vets tell me about what they did in battle. My father served in WWII. He graduated as a pharmacist in 1942 so, surprisingly, knowing how the military works, the Navy assigned him to work in a hospital in Idaho. Considering how many died and were injured, I'm glad of that because, if he hadn't had such light duty, I might not be here. The point is, though, he was doing the job his government asked him to do and did it to the best of his ability. My Dad was a peaceful man and I just can't see him shooting a gun at someone or dropping a bomb on them so I guess it was lucky he was more valuable as a medic than as a warrior. I know that he would have been a warrior if he was asked to do so but I'm afraid he would have been better pushing pills than pulling triggers. The point is that he did his part. He opinion about battle is no more nor less valuable than yours. raoul |
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