Cirrus crash midair

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:26:25 -0800 (PST), george wrote:

Mixedup is not and never has been 'reasonable' ..
Nor has he ever actually flown a real aeroplane- either a sailplane or
a powerplane. He is only here because he has nowhere else to be

Of course, you so bored, as many others are, you play with him.

Remember this next time you moan about how RAP is "going to the trolls".

On Feb 9, 11:17*am, wrote:
In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:

george writes:

And as to 'situational awareness' there's an extremely large blind
spot in the modern sailplane right under the nose

A Cirrus isn't a sailplane. And a pilot with a blind spot needs to fly in such
a way that he makes allowances for his inability to see in that blind spot.

All real airplanes have a large blind spot through an arc that starts at
the nose, follows the fuselage around to the tail, and continues over the
airplane to the rearmost window or top of the windscreen depending on
model.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

And still doesn't change the circumstances to with, the tow plane had
ROW and that had nothing at all to do with MSXs's non-experience
except to allow yet another usenet fjucktard (yes 'George', you) with
a chance to chime in and contribute to the noise.

Geez, grow up ladies.

On Feb 10, 5:46*pm, Mike Ash wrote:

Funny, I see the cause and effect as backwards: only reason I'm
desperate enough to toy with the troll is because there's no legitimate
traffic going on.


Notice how the on topic traffic has gone up and the kooks have
deserted the group...

Mixedup may be of some use after all

On Feb 11, 6:59*am, Richard wrote:

And still doesn't change the circumstances to with, the tow plane had
ROW and that had nothing at all to do with MSXs's non-experience
except to allow yet another usenet fjucktard (yes 'George', you) with
a chance to chime in and contribute to the noise.

There's a cartoon somewhere in the world of a wrecked car and an
ambulance.
With the title of
"But I was in the right"

You might notice that amongst the groups he crossposted his crap to
includes rec.aviation.student.
Perhaps where you are its okay to bull**** about being a pilot and
offer uninformed advice as to what the cause of an accident was before
the investigators have done their job.

george writes:

Perhaps where you are its okay to bull**** about being a pilot and
offer uninformed advice as to what the cause of an accident was before
the investigators have done their job.

What is wrong with advice to see and avoid, or pointing out that tow planes
have right of way?

Dave Doe writes:

But hangon, you just said..."
The existence of a blind spot does not relieve the pilot of the need to
maintain situational awareness, including an awareness of nearby
aircraft.

Yes, but the probability of conflicting traffic varies with the relative
positions of the aircraft concerned.

When climbing after take-off, for example, it's much less likely that one will
be hit from below than it is that one will hit something above.

There will always be blind spots, but a pilot can anticipate the areas where
other aircraft are most likely to be and can concentrate his efforts to work
around blind spots on those areas, if it is not practical to work around all
blind spots.

As an extreme example, a taildragger taxiing to a runway needs to worry a lot
more about aircraft in a blind spot in front of it than aircraft in a blind
spot behind.

Really?

Yes, really.

OK, you are straight and level. An a/c with the same horizontal
airspeed is below you and climbing. While they *should* see you, lets
assume they do not (sun is where you are, pretty much). What will you
do now? Hmm lets see, "If you are in level flight or climbing, traffic
below is not necessarily an issue.".

Short of constantly turning the aircraft in circles, it's going to be really
hard to see below and behind you, and since you are moving forward, it's also
unlikely that an aircraft climbing behind you will overtake you. Additionally,
if you've taken care to assess the traffic situation in advance, you'll have a
good idea about where traffic might be.

There's a big difference between worrying about traffic below and behind you
and worrying about traffic crossing right in front of your windshield. It's a
bit like worrying about a skydiver dropping onto your nose while you're
descending towards terrain. If you cannot cover everything, you look towards
the area of highest risk.

george writes:

Its something real pilots know and compensate for by keeping a good
lookout.

So how do some real pilots hit tow planes?

Dave Doe writes:

To be honest, your comment is just ridiculous and stupid. Real pilots
*do* maintain a procedurally based and trained lookout.

How do they manage to collide with tow planes and gliders, then?

Mike Ash wrote:
In article ,
romeomike wrote:

Mike Ash wrote:
Ah, there's that famous excessive snip.

You said "plausible", not "very probable". All of those scenarios are
plausible.

Now maybe you are beginning to answer your own question above as to why
Mx gets so much heat. I simply don't understand why anyone engages him
at all. Learned my lesson a few years back.

It's one thing to attack his evasion, quite another to pull your own
evasion and attack him for saying something completely reasonable.


My observation over many years here is that when he posts something that
seems "reasonable" it's his way of subtly drawing people into an
escalating and frustrating attack and evade. It's not an educational to-
and-fro, just an exercise in "how far do I have to go to **** people off."

Mxsmanic wrote:

writes:

Absent rolling inverted, how do you see below?

Normally you shouldn't need to see below without advance warning. Typically
you see below by anticipating where you will be and checking for traffic
before you get there. If you are in level flight or climbing, traffic below
is not necessarily an issue. If you are descending, your descent path is in
front of you and you can inspect it for traffic before you follow it.

So you would be making the same mistake !!!
The tug and glider came up from below, right in front of him.


Additionally, if you cannot see and avoid, you can try to rule out the
presence of traffic in other ways, as by communicating on the radio, obtaining
flight following, using on-board equipment to see other aircraft, and so on.

If you collide with another aircraft and survive under VFR, you'll generally
have to explain why you didn't see the other aircraft.