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"Ken Chaddock" wrote in message news:MSZ_e.253696$9A2.72113@edtnps89... Don Hammer wrote: Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef? After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion reactors ? Some things take time... ...Ken There is a difference between fusion reactors, which are beyond the cutting edge research projects. Moler's project is a bit different. First, the technology exists to do what he says he intends to do. He still hasn't gotten there. Beyond that, he's promising performance figures that can't be achieved with the type craft he's projecting. Check out his range/fuel mileage claims. Completely impossible. So, what we have in one instance is people trying to develop new technology which may or may not achievable, ever. And then, there is Moler, who has a 30+ year of failure at creating a flying machine which should be doable with today's technology, although it'll never meet the claimed performance. So, he's more or less a failure and a fraud at the same time. KB |
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("Ken Chaddock" wrote)
After 50+ years and trillions of $$$s,, where are all the fusion reactors ? 93 million miles away. Montblack |
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wmbjk wrote:
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17987.htm What surprises me is that even though it only takes seconds to find evidence of his decades of hucksterism, people apparently still send him money and dream of flying his creation. Then again, this is his second attempt to sell the prototype, so maybe he's finally running out of suckers. Wayne Like I said before, it's amazing he has stayed out of jail. Some years ago a cross-dresser was selling stock for a company to build a 3 wheeled car. When the feds check into it, there wasn't any thing more than a mock up and no serious efforts to build anything. That weirdo eventually went to jail over it. Tony |
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"Richard Riley" wrote ...
(My favorite is the "Fascination" http://www.popcultmag.com/oddglimpse.../spacecar.html Oh yeh, just great: "First, let's look under the hood (presuming it has one, somewhere). While the Fascination's standard engine is an aluminum, fuel-injected four-cylinder, a new type of energy source is touted as the vehicle's soon-to-come power drive: the Nobel Gas Plasma Engine. "This engine is a closed two-cycle reciprocating engine that has no intake, uses no air, emitting no exhaust at all. The fuel is self-contained and hermetically sealed in the cylinders which are initially charged at the time of manufacturing, carrying their own power supply that will last approximately 60 to 75 thousand miles with no fall of efficiency." An environmentally safe engine that doesn't need refueling for 60,000 miles-why haven't we heard of this miracle power source? (GM or Ford obviously must have sent out their minions to squelch such a potentially damaging competitor.)" Where's that "Flavored Coffee" idiot? Rich |
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Richard Riley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 01:27:33 GMT, Anthony W wrote: : :Like I said before, it's amazing he has stayed out of jail. Some years :ago a cross-dresser was selling stock for a company to build a 3 wheeled :car. When the feds check into it, there wasn't any thing more than a :mock up and no serious efforts to build anything. That weirdo :eventually went to jail over it. That would be the "Dale" http://www.3wheelers.com/dale.html I didn't want to say so and give them any more publicity but, yes. The Skycar should go the way of the dale. On their best day neither of them will ever be a Tucker and he went down in flames but at least Tucker had a sellable product... Tony |
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He hasn't made anything that flew w/o tether, but he did make decent
motorcycle mufflers (SuperTrap) and was successful at selling them. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone |
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Flyingmonk wrote:
He hasn't made anything that flew w/o tether, but he did make decent motorcycle mufflers (SuperTrap) and was successful at selling them. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone I didn't know that was him. He should have stuck with that, suppertrap exhaust systems were about the best available... Tony |
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Tony wrote:
I didn't know that was him. He should have stuck with that, suppertrap exhaust systems were about the best available... Yep, that be him. Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone |
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W
wrote: Kyle Boatright wrote: "Don Hammer" wrote in message news Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef? Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million. I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job. PT Barnum would be so proud... I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now... Are you kidding? The feds and NASA think the basic idea is great and actually have a program to develop something along those lines. Can you imagine the air traffic if even one percent of the drives had something like that? Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Tony |
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"Roger" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:37:59 GMT, Anthony W wrote: Kyle Boatright wrote: "Don Hammer" wrote in message news Moler is like Jim Bede. Great at raising money for his pie-in-the-sky ideas. After at least ten years, you'd think he'd have something other than a sortof mockup. Where's the beef? Try 30+ years. Also, his website indicates he's spent $100 million. I find it amazing that mainstream media still pimps his wares from time to time, given that he's 30 years and $100 million into the project and has Zero results other than a display only model with a pretty paint job. PT Barnum would be so proud... I'm suprised the feds haven't busted him for fraud by now... Are you kidding? The feds and NASA think the basic idea is great and actually have a program to develop something along those lines. Can you imagine the air traffic if even one percent of the drives had something like that? Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com I wonder if the Feds and NASA really think that? I seem to remember that Moler has gotten federal grants for some of his work, but all that takes is a friendly congressman to bury an appropriation in a spending bill. Trust me, if you know the right people, it ain't hard to do. In my professional career, the company I work for entered into a partnership of sorts with a developer of alternate energy sources. After a while, we ended the relationship because it became apparent that they didn't have a useful product to offer. Instead, the President of the company had enough REALLY GOOD political contacts to get Federal Grants which would have kept his phoney baloney project well funded until he retired, even though the product (essentially vaporware) didn't have a leg to stand on once you dissected the thermodynamics and the ratios of energy consumed versus energy produced... KB |
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