car seats in taxis

I am planning a trip including my five year old son to Niagara falls
next weekend. We are flying into Niagra Falls International Airport
(IAG) and plan to stay only for the day. The problem is how to get
from the airport to the falls and back. The natural choice is a taxi,
but what do we do with the car seat once we get there? I'd rather not
carry it around all day. We could of course rent a car, but that
seems like an overkill just to create a place to put the car seat. Is
there any place to store a car seat near the falls? Is there any other
reasonable transportation from IAG to the falls for five adults and
two children that will not require a car seat (we can always leave it
on the plane)? or am I overly cautious in thinking we need a car seat
for two ten minute taxi rides?

Jeff H, CP-AM&SEL, CFII

J. Hansen ) wrote:

I am planning a trip including my five year old son to Niagara falls
next weekend.

I faced this exact dilemma two weeks ago with my soon-to-be-five year old
and a six year old. The four of us (wife included) flew to Niagara Falls
for the day and I also wondered about the need for a car seat for the ten
minute ride from the airport to the Falls tourist area.

After talking with a State Trooper friend, I learned that car seats are not
required once the child is over 40 pounds and four years old in NY state,
so legally there was no issue.

So, the decision came down to an issue of safety. In the end, we decided
that as long as the boys were buckled up in the taxi with lap belts and
shoulder straps and they were placed on the left and right side of the back
seats (no center seating for them), they would be relatively safe.

Note that in our case, the taxi took the highway for a portion of the ride
from the airport to the Falls area, although I suppose you could request a
route through the residential area (which is what our driver did for the
return trip).

Since we wanted to see the Canadian side, we cabbed it right to Rainbow
Bridge, then walked over the bridge to the Canadian side. Otherwise the
cab ride would have been much more expensive and, given the traffic at
customs, just as long as the ten minute walk. On the other side we
flagged a Canadian cab to to the falls overlook.

Just be aware that the pedestrian portion of Rainbow bridge has only a four
foot high railing to keep one from tumbling to the river below, so we kept
our children close.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message

So, the decision came down to an issue of safety. In the end, we decided
that as long as the boys were buckled up in the taxi with lap belts and
shoulder straps and they were placed on the left and right side of the
back
seats (no center seating for them), they would be relatively safe.

You know, I'm fairly certain we all grew up just fine without kiddie car
seats, (and bike helmets, and...) so it's not like it's terribly unsafe. At
least, it's no more unsafe for your child than it was ten years ago before
car seats were ubiqitous. In fact it could be argued that the vehicles
themselves are inherently safer than they were when we were standing in the
middle of the bench seat of dad's old pickup so we could see over the
dashboard.

Remember those days?

When I rode in Nine-O-Nine with my grandfather, which was the first time
he'd flown in one since crashing on 14 Oct 1943, I had to show HIM how to
attach the seatbelts. "We never had these damned things," he said.

-c

"gatt" wrote in message
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You know, I'm fairly certain we all grew up just fine without kiddie car
seats, (and bike helmets, and...) so it's not like it's terribly unsafe.

What an odd statement.

All of the folks who flew in B-17s during WWII who might today write a
statement similar to yours managed to come out of it okay too. Does that
mean that being part of the crew on a B-17 over Germany is not "terribly
unsafe"?

Alternatively, instead of being "fairly certain we all grew up just fine
without kiddie car seats", you should consider the children who did NOT grow
up just fine, but instead were killed in a car accident that they would have
survived had they been in a car seat. There were a lot more of those kids
thirty years ago than there are today.

Pete

There were a lot more of those kids
thirty years ago than there are today.

Are there really?

And what in the end is the difference between a one-in-a-million
chance and a one-in-999,999 chance?

Personally, I have never been involved in a collision in 55 years of
driving. I faithfully buckle up every time I get in the car, but I
know in my heart that it is a waste of time. By now I must have spent
*days* of my life buckling up.

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Personally, I have never been involved in a collision in 55 years of
driving.


I've never had a plane fall apart on me, but i still preflight. In fact, I
spend more time preflighting an airplane than I do buckling my seatbelt in the
car.

Jose


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In article , Cub Driver
wrote:

Personally, I have never been involved in a collision in 55 years of
driving. I faithfully buckle up every time I get in the car, but I
know in my heart that it is a waste of time.

I've been in two in the last 10 years. Both of them the other guy's
fault, and both of them would have been quite serious without the belt.

The latest incident? Last month, a Civic lost control in front of me
on a curve on the interstate, went from the exit ramp across my lane
(the right of 3 lanes) at about a 70-degree angle, and crunched right
into the guardrail at around 40 miles per hour. I pulled over, crossed
to the median when the traffic would allow, and found two people in bad
shape in the car.

Know why? Because their HEADS HIT THE DASHBOARD in what should have
otherwise been a mild impact. She was bleeding badly from her
forehead, and her passenger's right eye was pretty much destroyed.
Will they live? I'm sure. But if I'd been that guy with the smashed
eye, my commercial aviation career would be over. Not worth it to me.
Not at all.


People make mistakes and do stupid, dangerous things every day on the
roads. And equipment can and does fail from time to time. Until we
reach a point where neither of those is the case, I'll continue to
buckle my seatbelt.

You're fortunate you haven't ever been in an accident, and I hope it
stays that was. But statistically speaking, you as an active driver
have an 80% chance of being in an accident within the next 10 years.
You may feel like you're wasting your time, and I hope you're never
proven wrong. Me, I'm believing the odds and keeping the thing
strapped on.

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Manchester, CT =USA=

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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There were a lot more of those kids
thirty years ago than there are today.

Are there really?

Yes, there are, really.

And what in the end is the difference between a one-in-a-million
chance and a one-in-999,999 chance?

Very little. But since those aren't the odds of being killed in a car
accident with or without a seatbelt, those numbers are irrelevant. Put them
back in your ass where they were in the first place.

Personally, I have never been involved in a collision in 55 years of
driving. I faithfully buckle up every time I get in the car, but I
know in my heart that it is a waste of time. By now I must have spent
*days* of my life buckling up.

Out of how many days? I'm sure it's a teeny tiny fraction. That said, if
it weren't for the fact that your medical expenses affect my bottom line, I
wouldn't care one bit whether you wear a seatbelt or not. But that's you.
We're talking about child seats, and children really don't have the capacity
to make the judgment for themselves whether to risk their lives in that way,
even if their medical expenses didn't hurt everyone else (which they do).

Pete

On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:14:57 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

Alternatively, instead of being "fairly certain we all grew up just fine
without kiddie car seats", you should consider the children who did NOT grow
up just fine, but instead were killed in a car accident that they would have
survived had they been in a car seat. There were a lot more of those kids
thirty years ago than there are today.

Pete


Oh really, I can't think of a single one. I never lost a friend in a
car wreck until I got to be a teenager.

Mike Weller
"You'll put someone's eye out with that BB gun."

In fifteen years as a paramedic, I have never unbuckled a dead body. I
have thrown a sheet over more than a few who didnt. Buckling up is safer
than not doing so. Car seat belts are designed for adults. Child Car
Seats are designed to restain children. You use the right tool for the
right job.

Dave

Mike Weller wrote:

On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:14:57 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:


Alternatively, instead of being "fairly certain we all grew up just fine
without kiddie car seats", you should consider the children who did NOT grow
up just fine, but instead were killed in a car accident that they would have
survived had they been in a car seat. There were a lot more of those kids
thirty years ago than there are today.

Pete



Oh really, I can't think of a single one. I never lost a friend in a
car wreck until I got to be a teenager.

Mike Weller
"You'll put someone's eye out with that BB gun."