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  #21  
Old March 7th 08, 10:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming,alt.usenet.kooks
mariposas rand mair fheal
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In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal wrote in
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Dan wrote in
news:05dd3a97-b32b-4013-bdbb-0a6ab4e374d8

@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

On Mar 7, 11:58 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"Denny" wrote:


Oh brother...

Unless you haven't notice, there is no stasis in the Earth's

climate,


So?


do you mean stasis or hystersis
because there is hystersis in the climate



Really? That anything like the lapse rate?


mostly its the amount of heat stored in the deep ocean
and then composition of gasses in the atmosphere

arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
nobody could do that much decoupage
without calling on the powers of darkness
  #22  
Old March 7th 08, 10:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming,alt.usenet.kooks
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote in
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

mariposas rand mair fheal wrote in
:

In article ,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Dan wrote in
news:05dd3a97-b32b-4013-bdbb-0a6ab4e374d8

@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

On Mar 7, 11:58 am, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"Denny" wrote:

Oh brother...

Unless you haven't notice, there is no stasis in the Earth's

climate,


So?

do you mean stasis or hystersis
because there is hystersis in the climate



Really? That anything like the lapse rate?


mostly its the amount of heat stored in the deep ocean
and then composition of gasses in the atmosphere


Oops., sorry, I thought you wrote hysteria.

Bertie


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Old March 7th 08, 10:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
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On Mar 7, 3:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote :



On Mar 7, 3:39 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:50479332-f8aa-444e-b004-
:


On Mar 7, 2:05 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:


IOW, don't confuse you with facts. Fine.


--
Dan


Ok.. facts. 20 foot sea level rise based on which incontrovertible
evidence?


There's no such thing as incotrovetible evidence.


Will we have a 10 foot rise in 50 years?


5 feet in 25?


Sorry, I'm not buying the sleight of hand that is the "Climate
Change" crisis of the moment.


Great, stick a gun in your nmouth and play russian roullette, bjust
don't expect to try snd take me with you without a fight.


We had far warmer temperatures earlier in our history, and far
colder.


But true believers in a religious cause can't be "convinced."


I know.


Bertie


You seriously believe all the alarmist noise?


All the alarmist noise?



Seriously -- what are you expecting to happen?


That people wil continue to pump **** into the atmospehre nad sea until
they break it.



Even the True Believers have downplayed Al Gore's outrageous
predictions (such as sea level rise of 20 feet in 100 years).


"When Michael Crichton said that 'Historically, the claim of consensus
has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate
by claiming that the matter is already settled,' he was right. When it
comes to the natural sciences consensus is not science, and science is
not consensus."


Oh well, if Michael Chrichton said it.

Jesus wept.

Now, about the work "belief" I don't "believe" anything. I can see evidence
and can see the logical result according to the best information available.

Believers generally start with a need and use the belief to fill it.
Religion is the best example of course, and one of the reasons that people
get so riled up about it is investment. And generaly a pretty short sighted
and narrow view of the investment to boot.

So, no, I don't believe it, I just see it as a likely consequence based on
my best understanding of the sciences involved. I have no investment and
I'm not crying about the sky falling.

How about you?

Bertie


I'm gonna be crying if the tax burden increases over 50% to fund more
bureaucracy.

How about you?

Dan
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Old March 7th 08, 10:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Dan wrote in
:

On Mar 7, 3:56 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote
innews:b7d4582d-0a7f-4295-a2f4-8581da9e7b05

@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.c
om:



On Mar 7, 3:39 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:50479332-f8aa-444e-b004-
:


On Mar 7, 2:05 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:


IOW, don't confuse you with facts. Fine.


--
Dan


Ok.. facts. 20 foot sea level rise based on which
incontrovertible evidence?


There's no such thing as incotrovetible evidence.


Will we have a 10 foot rise in 50 years?


5 feet in 25?


Sorry, I'm not buying the sleight of hand that is the "Climate
Change" crisis of the moment.


Great, stick a gun in your nmouth and play russian roullette,
bjust don't expect to try snd take me with you without a fight.


We had far warmer temperatures earlier in our history, and far
colder.


But true believers in a religious cause can't be "convinced."


I know.


Bertie


You seriously believe all the alarmist noise?


All the alarmist noise?



Seriously -- what are you expecting to happen?


That people wil continue to pump **** into the atmospehre nad sea
until they break it.



Even the True Believers have downplayed Al Gore's outrageous
predictions (such as sea level rise of 20 feet in 100 years).


"When Michael Crichton said that 'Historically, the claim of
consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to
avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled,' he
was right. When it comes to the natural sciences consensus is not
science, and science is not consensus."


Oh well, if Michael Chrichton said it.

Jesus wept.

Now, about the work "belief" I don't "believe" anything. I can see
evidence and can see the logical result according to the best
information available.

Believers generally start with a need and use the belief to fill it.
Religion is the best example of course, and one of the reasons that
people get so riled up about it is investment. And generaly a pretty
short sighted and narrow view of the investment to boot.

So, no, I don't believe it, I just see it as a likely consequence
based on my best understanding of the sciences involved. I have no
investment and I'm not crying about the sky falling.

How about you?

Bertie


I'm gonna be crying if the tax burden increases over 50% to fund more
bureaucracy.



Non sequitor and this shows you have little conviction in your argument
if that's your bottom line.

IOW, you're not interested in anything but your wallet.

How about you?



Nope. I live for beurocracy. I'd rather it go to them than spend it on
leisure pursuits, in fact.



Bertie
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Old March 7th 08, 10:14 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
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On Mar 7, 4:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:4e7e8669-0788-4ab0-920b-
:





Sorry to cloud your thinking, but here are the facts you desired.


Unfortunately they don't square with your preposterous claims or 20'
sea level rise.


FACT: The National Academy of Sciences reported in 2001 that, "Because
of the large and still uncertain level of natural variability inherent
in the climate record and the uncertainties in the time histories of
the various forcing agents...a causal linkage between the buildup of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the observed climate changes
during the 20th century cannot be unequivocally established." It also
noted that 20 years' worth of data is not long enough to estimate

long-
term trends.


FACT: Predictions of 6°C temperature rises over the next 100 years are
at the extreme end of the IPCC range (read the report).


FACT: Both James Hansen of NASA--the father of greenhouse theory--and
Richard Lindzen of MIT--the most renowned climatologist in the world--
agree that, even if nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the
world will only see a global temperature increase of about 1°C in the
next 50-100 years. Hansen and his colleagues "predict additional
warming in the next 50 years of 0.5 ± 0.2°C, a warming rate of 0.1 ±
0.04°C per decade."


FACT: No one has provided data that conclusively links human activity
to the temperature rise of 0.6 C over 100 years.


FACT: No one has proven a causal link between CO2 and global
temperatures. It may be a cause, but is more likely an effect.


You won't be convinced and this pile of faulty reasoning and defective
argument isn;t going to convince me.. ....

Bertie


No problem.

I'd rather be flying, anyway.


Dan
  #26  
Old March 7th 08, 10:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
Dan[_10_]
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On Mar 7, 4:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Nope. I live for beurocracy. I'd rather it go to them than spend it on
leisure pursuits, in fact.

Bertie


Work for the DMV, do ya?

Dan

  #27  
Old March 7th 08, 10:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Dan wrote in news:9895dc21-7353-4d22-bba4-b038d827a648
@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

On Mar 7, 4:09 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Nope. I live for beurocracy. I'd rather it go to them than spend it on
leisure pursuits, in fact.

Bertie


Work for the DMV, do ya?


Nope.

Bertie
  #28  
Old March 7th 08, 10:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Dan wrote in news:d49cb264-ceb4-4ade-8d79-38725f282125@
13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

On Mar 7, 4:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dan wrote in news:4e7e8669-0788-4ab0-920b-
:





Sorry to cloud your thinking, but here are the facts you desired.


Unfortunately they don't square with your preposterous claims or 20'
sea level rise.


FACT: The National Academy of Sciences reported in 2001 that, "Because
of the large and still uncertain level of natural variability inherent
in the climate record and the uncertainties in the time histories of
the various forcing agents...a causal linkage between the buildup of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the observed climate changes
during the 20th century cannot be unequivocally established." It also
noted that 20 years' worth of data is not long enough to estimate

long-
term trends.


FACT: Predictions of 6°C temperature rises over the next 100 years are


at the extreme end of the IPCC range (read the report).


FACT: Both James Hansen of NASA--the father of greenhouse theory--and
Richard Lindzen of MIT--the most renowned climatologist in the world--
agree that, even if nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the
world will only see a global temperature increase of about 1°C in the
next 50-100 years. Hansen and his colleagues "predict additional
warming in the next 50 years of 0.5 ± 0.2°C, a warming rate of 0.1

±
0.04°C per decade."


FACT: No one has provided data that conclusively links human activity
to the temperature rise of 0.6 C over 100 years.


FACT: No one has proven a causal link between CO2 and global
temperatures. It may be a cause, but is more likely an effect.


You won't be convinced and this pile of faulty reasoning and defective
argument isn;t going to convince me.. ....

Bertie


No problem.

I'd rather be flying, anyway.




It's possible to do both.

Bertie


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Old March 7th 08, 10:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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gatt wrote:

someday Detroit will be crushed by ice and ground into sand.


-c



and it won't be a moment too soon.

sorry,

spent much of my prior life there.

ya'll can go back to your "Aviation" discussion.

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Old March 7th 08, 10:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,alt.global-warming
Dan[_10_]
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On Mar 7, 4:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

No problem.


I'd rather be flying, anyway.


It's possible to do both.

Bertie


What's that? Worry about Global warming and fly?

Honestly -- one of the appeals of flying is that I can concentrate on
something else, often completely.

It's refreshing.

Like a Junior Mint.

Dan

 




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