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Is it easier now?
Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is
military life easier now than it was then? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is military life easier now than it was then? Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th Infantry) liberated Dachau? |
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ArtKramr wrote:
Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is military life easier now than it was then? Why not, military life and systems are so simple now. Don't have to worry about lack of discipline setting off one of those High Explosive things they used in WWII, or letting loose the launch codes, or positions of SSBNs or TACAMOs, triggering a LASER or anything that might have serious consequences. Certainly no need to worry about saboteurs infiltrating military facilities. Yea, I guess there is no reason discipline couldn't be looser. Dave |
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Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Tarver Engineering" Date: 2/26/04 12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is military life easier now than it was then? Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th Infantry) liberated Dachau? "Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance whatever. All the Germans had left and they just walked in without a shot being fired. Hardly the equivalent of landing on Omaha beach was it?. (sheesh) Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Is it easier now? From: "Tarver Engineering" Date: 2/26/04 12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is military life easier now than it was then? Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th Infantry) liberated Dachau? "Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance whatever. All the Germans had left and they just walked in without a shot being fired. Hardly the equivalent of landing on Omaha beach was it?. (sheesh) Omaha Beach? You mean where the 29th Inf Div, another NG outfit, was serving as half of the spearhead? You know, the guys who suffered such horrndous casualties in that first wave, such that they located that D-Day Memorial in Bedford, VA? Then again, you could maybe really be thinking about the Guard artillerymen and tankers who fought their way back down the PI, and the survivors of which were among those undergoing the Bataan Death March...you know, during the time you were still a wet-behind-the-ears high schooler, right? Would they be the same Guardsmen you so recently libeled as being worthless during WWII? Brooks Arthur Kramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Is it easier now? From: "Tarver Engineering" Date: 2/26/04 12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is military life easier now than it was then? Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th Infantry) liberated Dachau? "Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance whatever. The NAZIs were put up against a wall and shot. |
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Art wrote:
"Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance whatever. All the Germans had left and they just walked in without a shot being fired. Hardly the equivalent of landing on Omaha beach was it?. (sheesh) Sorry they couldn't make Omaha Beach. IIRC at that time the 45th was somewhere in Italy after the other Beach at Anzio. Got two uncles buried there Art, they were "goof offs" in the National Guard from about 1936 onwards. One was a LTC and the other a SFC. In answer to your question, "Is it easier now? Yes and No, times change, military is now all volunteer, generally smarter, better trained, more specialized equipment, but the job is not easier. War is not easier and hasn't been that way since Ugh and Orf fought it out with stone clubs. Killing is just more efficient now. You never used a periscopic sextant, correct? Well, I never used a GPS in an airplane, but I probably dropped bombs made in the same plant as the ones you dropped, maybe even in the same batch. We used up all the old bombs and the guys now get to drop newer weapons, and find the target a bit easier, but it isn't any easier. The biggest difference that I can determine is that the enemy was easier to identify in your day and the politicians didn't micromanage wars. Rick |
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In message , ArtKramr
writes Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Not as far as I can tell. In some ways it got worse: with "mission command" you're not merely expected to fulfil your orders, but carry out your commander's intent; and if that wasn't adequately communicated you can get into a real mess. (It usually works and works very well indeed; the recent fighting at Basra being an example, where units down to platoon strength raided and recced without direct orders but fulfilling the intent of "weaken the defenders and find out what's going on"). And you'll _still_ be in the cacky for failing to obey an order unless it was blatantly illegal. Is military life easier now than it was then? A little more comfortable on exercises: Gore-Tex waterproofs, fleece liners, better boots, good sleeping bags. On the other hand, it's now a 24-hour battle, the enemy artillery is larger and longer-ranged, chemical and biological weapons are proliferated... I'd have to say 'no'. -- When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite. W S Churchill Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk |
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No;
But then again, we can kick the degree of difficulty UP a notch now that we don't have to put up with incompetent draftees. The WWII generation was an exercise in training to the lowest common denominator. Steve Swartz "ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?. Is military life easier now than it was then? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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