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R Leonard wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e., VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established one year ago. Yeah, Mike, but it does NOT make them 'Sundowners'. Frankly I think it's a shame that they're going around pretending that they are . . . what a load of crap. Couldn't agree more, Rich. Really sad in a way. |
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Is NAVAIR designating operational squadrons today? Half a century ago it was
NAVAIRPAC and NAVAIRLANT with that authority. WDA Former Fury [FJ-4B] Flyer end ---------------------snip----------------------------- NAVAIR is the systems command (Pax River). NAVAIRPAC and NAVAIRLANT have become Commander Naval Air Forces (CNAF) in San Diego, I think. NAVAIR is the hardware crowd. Tom USN Ret now a NAVAIR bubba. |
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Tom Clarke wrote: Is NAVAIR designating operational squadrons today? Half a century ago it was NAVAIRPAC and NAVAIRLANT with that authority. WDA Former Fury [FJ-4B] Flyer end ---------------------snip----------------------------- NAVAIR is the systems command (Pax River). NAVAIRPAC and NAVAIRLANT have become Commander Naval Air Forces (CNAF) in San Diego, I think. NAVAIR is the hardware crowd. I believe that it's NAVAIRPAC who has become CNAF (two hats) in 2001. AIRLANT reports to CNAF and is now a two-star versus three. |
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On 30 Lis, 21:51, "Mike Weeks" wrote:
wrote: I could even find HS-8 redesignating to HSC-8 (no more ASW missions for the squadron then). The link is great!I think that means no more _dedicated_ ASW missions. Just as VS went from anti-submarine to sea control. The S-3s still did _some_ (or little) ASW work. In this case it is a matter of hardware - the squadron is slated to transition to MH-60S - so, as HSC-8, it will be probably paired with one of new HSMs within one of the PACFLT air wings... All the fleet HS squadrons are going to become HSC, as have the HC squardons. This is really going to be fun to keep straight. I am not sure, would have to look it up in a MH-60R/S transition plan I've seen. In fact, many HSC or HSMs will be redesignated current HS, HC, and HSLs, but also there are going to be some totally new squadrons... |
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Mike Weeks wrote: R Leonard wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e., VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established one year ago. Yeah, Mike, but it does NOT make them 'Sundowners'. Frankly I think it's a shame that they're going around pretending that they are . . . what a load of crap. Couldn't agree more, Rich. Really sad in a way. I agree also. If they want to imitate a piece of history, they ught to become a VC squadron... |
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wrote: R Leonard wrote: wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: R Leonard wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e., VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established one year ago. Yeah, Mike, but it does NOT make them 'Sundowners'. Frankly I think it's a shame that they're going around pretending that they are . . . what a load of crap. Couldn't agree more, Rich. Really sad in a way. I agree also. If they want to imitate a piece of history, they ught to become a VC squadron... Yeah, and they just couldn't wait. Someone sent me a photo of the establishment festivities and there was the CO, complete with Sundowner patch on his flight jacket. I can see that in a few years they'll be claiming lineage to Fighter I on the Canal . . . and Puuene on Maui before that . . . and all the way back to Charlie Fenton on day 1 at North Island. Bunch of reservists, not surprised....... It wasn't the reservists who OK'd it ... Somone at the command level should have said, "Not only no, but HELL NO! Go get your own damn legacy." I don't often have unkind things to say about the Navy, but they really screwed the pooch on this one. They're fakes, and, sadly, in a couple of years no one will know the difference. They, the squadron, and the Navy ought to be ashamed of themselves. Rich |
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Mike Weeks wrote: wrote: R Leonard wrote: wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: R Leonard wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e., VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established one year ago. Yeah, Mike, but it does NOT make them 'Sundowners'. Frankly I think it's a shame that they're going around pretending that they are . . . what a load of crap. Couldn't agree more, Rich. Really sad in a way. I agree also. If they want to imitate a piece of history, they ught to become a VC squadron... Yeah, and they just couldn't wait. Someone sent me a photo of the establishment festivities and there was the CO, complete with Sundowner patch on his flight jacket. I can see that in a few years they'll be claiming lineage to Fighter I on the Canal . . . and Puuene on Maui before that . . . and all the way back to Charlie Fenton on day 1 at North Island. Bunch of reservists, not surprised....... It wasn't the reservists who OK'd it ... Gotta wonder if a CO/XO that had been in the active duty USN, and perhpas had been a genuine Sundowner, would have suggested it. This idea didn't come from NavAir... Somone at the command level should have said, "Not only no, but HELL NO! Go get your own damn legacy." I don't often have unkind things to say about the Navy, but they really screwed the pooch on this one. They're fakes, and, sadly, in a couple of years no one will know the difference. They, the squadron, and the Navy ought to be ashamed of themselves. Rich |
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wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: wrote: R Leonard wrote: wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: R Leonard wrote: Mike Weeks wrote: Given the examples of late; it's coming from all over the place. i.e., VFC-13 Det KW wanted to use a _famous_ number, lineage history and patch as a separate squadron. As a det it had only been established one year ago. Yeah, Mike, but it does NOT make them 'Sundowners'. Frankly I think it's a shame that they're going around pretending that they are . . . what a load of crap. Couldn't agree more, Rich. Really sad in a way. I agree also. If they want to imitate a piece of history, they ught to become a VC squadron... Yeah, and they just couldn't wait. Someone sent me a photo of the establishment festivities and there was the CO, complete with Sundowner patch on his flight jacket. I can see that in a few years they'll be claiming lineage to Fighter I on the Canal . . . and Puuene on Maui before that . . . and all the way back to Charlie Fenton on day 1 at North Island. Bunch of reservists, not surprised....... It wasn't the reservists who OK'd it ... Gotta wonder if a CO/XO that had been in the active duty USN, and perhpas had been a genuine Sundowner, would have suggested it. This idea didn't come from NavAir... Don't know. The story from the NAS KW paper (17 NOV issue) loads up from this link (as a full-color PDF file): http://www.naskw.navy.mil/inc/cmodul...logFsI d=3852 Perhaps one of the COs mentioned had been a JO in the '90's w/ 111 (the 2nd Sundowers). Somone at the command level should have said, "Not only no, but HELL NO! Go get your own damn legacy." I don't often have unkind things to say about the Navy, but they really screwed the pooch on this one. They're fakes, and, sadly, in a couple of years no one will know the difference. They, the squadron, and the Navy ought to be ashamed of themselves. Rich |
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