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more reasons for GA: John Gilmo I was ejected from a plane for wearing "Suspected Terrorist" button



 
 
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Old July 20th 03, 12:35 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:31:16 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:

As for the effects of wearing the button go, you have slightly more of a
point. In an environment where passengers are not permitted to joke about
bombs, it seems a logical extension of the spirit of that rule for
passengers to not joke about being a terrorist.


I also more like the latter part of the article where he discusses what
would be appropriate for a button.

However, IMHO Gilmore has the better point. There's no "free speech"
defense for saying you have a bomb, but clearly by at least one valid
interpretation of the government's actions, we are all suspected terrorists.


.... unless proven innocent. Is this the way the system works?

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John Gilmo I was ejected from a plane for wearing
"Suspected Terrorist" button http://www.politechbot.com/p-04973.html
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Old July 20th 03, 12:42 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:42:44 GMT, Mike Weller wrote:

Well, I didn't mean to scare you. But my point was that the man
wearing the button stating "SUSPECTED TERRORIST" was making a
statement, which to him, might have been witty and clever,


so when you fly commercial, you are NOT a _suspected_ terrorist? You are
not guilty unless proven not guilty? They don't confiscate your nail
clipper?

but
actually caused everyone around him to become frightened.


So you haven't really read the article. Gilmore asked the people around
him. Only the knee-jerk of captain and an old BA-bitch cared.

For all I
know, he may have been from the Middle East


you ARE right. When he is from the Middle East, he SURE MUST BE a terorist.

Don't throw gasoline on a fire, and you won't get burned.


Give up all of your freedom and rights, so you don't have to lose freedom
and any rights.

Is this the new spirit over there? I have to learn that we here also tend
to follow this damned way ...

Mike Weller


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John Gilmo I was ejected from a plane for wearing
"Suspected Terrorist" button http://www.politechbot.com/p-04973.html
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Old July 20th 03, 12:48 PM
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:49:24 +0100, james wrote:

Terrorism is about terror. The clue is in the question. Say guy [doesn't
matter what race he is] sat next to you holds a gun to your head ? He sits
like this for 10 hours, but doesn't pull the trigger. He hasn't done
anything except scare you. Chances are, you'll do whatever he says. He's
won. Now who's the "narrow minded bigot"? Like I said, it's all about
terror, and you can cause terror by merely *implying* that you can do
something bad.


true.
And Gilmore did what? In your picture, he was holding the gun?


You don't have to do it, you don't even have to say that you
will do it. All you have to do is give someone the idea that you *can* do
it. That is enough.



Yes, the airlines say to EVERYBODY: you are a terrorist unless proven you
are not.

Going back to the original point of this thread, well done BA. It's not


well, this was really well done by BA: they gave me the last reason to NOT
fly with them. Their food is lousy, there service is lousy and their flight
attendants are old uggly nagging bitches. Well, mabye they serve in first
class.

easy to uphold a principle when there's all this cotton wool wrapped around
anyone who could possibly be offended by what you say or do. Unfortunately,
though, equal rights seems to have gone too far. *Equal* means equal, not
better.


BA is same as Tony Blair. Heard his speach in your congress? Never heard so
much bull**** within one single hour and within one single speach.

james


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Old July 20th 03, 01:15 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:51:50 -0700, Jeff wrote:

Thank you for twice fullquoting .... you sure know how to handle things
right ... NOT.

I just looked at your page,


at _my_ page? I doubt that you understand one single word of german, except
"verboten".

you know what I hate -- dumb ****s who waste
millions of dollars in tax money on bull**** law suits.

I am guessing, by your mentality, that you never served in the military.



_me_? you're right. I have chosen the other legal way and spent my time in
social service. well, shocking ...

You
talk alot about freedom and wanting it and what you think you should be
entitled to for not defending it. Why dont you fight the enemies of this
country as hard as you do your own goverment.


I try to fight _my_ enemies and _maybe_ those of my country. But the USA
aren't my number 1 priority.


Remember what JFK said, "ask not what your country can do for you, but what
you can do for your country."


To sum it up: Check who is posting something and where the guy (or the gal)
comes from. And maybe you learn to differnciate from a quote and from a
statement.

My personal point that I gave out on the original posting was "here you
have another reason for using GA for travel". I haven't even said that I am
pro or contra Gilmore's arguments.

Have a nice life.

#m


Martin Hotze wrote:

here you have another reason for using GA for travel:

http://www.politechbot.com/p-04973.html

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Old July 20th 03, 02:42 PM
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What an ASSHOLE!!!! Protest your problems with the government to the
government leaders. Don't take out your frustrations on the regular people,
like pilots and passengers. That's what terrorists do. Attack civilians to
get at the government. Don't want to show ID to get on an airplane? Where
I work we won't let you use a credit card without ID. GEEZ. With all the
problems in the world we have to put up with jerks like this. Like the
other poster said - WALK!


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Old July 20th 03, 02:51 PM
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In a previous article, "lardsoup" said:
What an ASSHOLE!!!! Protest your problems with the government to the
government leaders. Don't take out your frustrations on the regular people,
like pilots and passengers. That's what terrorists do. Attack civilians to


Yeah, talking about the government to the people like that. What's your
problem - you think you're living in a democracy or something? Shut up
and do what the government tells you like a good citizen of a facist
state.

get at the government. Don't want to show ID to get on an airplane? Where
I work we won't let you use a credit card without ID. GEEZ. With all the


I suppose asking you actually read the story would have been "what
terrorists do" as well?


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Old July 20th 03, 02:56 PM
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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Remember, it's not illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater if the
theater is actually on fire.


True, but one shouldn't subsequently expect to watch the show.


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Old July 20th 03, 03:21 PM
Martin Hotze
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:42:39 GMT, lardsoup wrote:

Don't take out your frustrations on the regular people,
like pilots and passengers.


I always thought that pilots are not regular people :-)

Where
I work we won't let you use a credit card without ID.


well, it is your decision. But the decision of the customer to make
business with you. I would take my business elsewhere if I have the
slightest chance. Free market is a nice thing. :-)

GEEZ. With all the
problems in the world


rant
Oh yes, please elaborate the problems the world has with the regulations
and demands of the USA. The problem is not _the_ _world_ ... [it is people
with your mindset]
/rant

we have to put up with jerks like this. Like the
other poster said - WALK!


Go back to start and read the article first and don't start bashing after
reading the first 10 lines. Ah yes, and try to think of the consequences
this will bring on your every day life.

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Old July 20th 03, 03:39 PM
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What's your
problem - you think you're living in a democracy or something? Shut up
and do what the government tells you like a good citizen of a facist
state.


I'm not living in a democracy. It's a republic. Fascist state? Get real.
I suppose you protest against traffic signals by crossing again the light
and walking reeeeaaallly slow to hold up traffic. I mean who is the
government to tell you when you can cross the street? Protest to the
government, and in the mean time quit holding up the show. Some of us have
lives to live.





 




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