Leaving the community

To be fair, the only reason that there was a surplus is because the country
got caught up in a technology stock mania. The market was generating
trillions of short term gains and taxes on those gains is what swelled
federal and state coffers. Bush entered the white house with millions of
taxpayers carrying forward losses.

Mike
MU-2

"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
m...
P.S. You're right, we should all thank Mr. Bush for turning a hard-earned
surplus budget (earned under Clinton's rule) into a 4.3 trillion dollar
DEFICIT.

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Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

Awww David, hang around! Lots of good stuff to be learned here. I've lived
on the earth long enough to recognize that living amongst Cro-Magnons can be
amusing. Yeah, they unfortunately have the right to vote,,,, but they make
a few grunts and run in the wall a few times and next thing we know, they
are running back to 'us' for advice and help.

I, too, am worried about the direction the country will take. For instance,
I never thought I'd see the day that something like the "Patriot Act" would
be put into place. Whenever we strip away the very core constitutional
rights of our people, we do a great harm to our nation and allow the
terrorists to exact an even more telling blow on our country. Fortunately,
there are enough men and women of reason who have actively gone after things
like the Patriot Act, aiding in disabling its' most sinister provisions. It
will be men and women of reason and good conscience that will bring things
around, again. I DO believe Kerry was one of those people, but thankfully
there are many like him - congressmen and women that won't allow those
precious and hard-fought-for documents to be attacked at their very heart;
The Constitution of The United States and The Bill of Rights - never EVER
letting us forget that our Constitution begins with those words; "WE, the
people......"

Though I can't say I believe in a divine being or UFO's (so, in my opinion,
we can't depend on extraterrestrials to help us, either) grin, I can say
that I have always believed that in times of dire circumstance that people
of good conscience will always overcome, persevere and succeed - even when
things look to be their darkest. This country will have it's time to shine,
again! :0) I believe that with all my heart! You should too!!!

Stay with us! :O)

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Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

What is your point supposed to be?

Mike
MU-2

"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
news4cid.564741$8_6.102644@attbi_s04...
Good riddance, hope you enjoy France.

Liddy Dole???
You haven't been in aviation long, have you?
Liddy Dole is the only individual to unite all the aviation alphabets
for a common purpose... her removal from the post of Secretary of
Transportation during the Reagan administration.
Liddy Dole, single-handedly, set aviation back 20 years during her three
year tenure.
Her most famous quote of the time, "I want to be the "Safety" Secretary!"
The woman has never held a public sector job.
The only reason she got the job as head of the Red Cross was for fund
raising. Her husband's political connections to the big money people
were used to replenish a diminished Red Cross bank account.

Jay Beckman wrote:
Giuliani-Rice might work, but howzabout Colin Powell - Elizabeth Dole?

Cecil Chapman wrote:



If there is any hope for our country, it will be when people learn to
abandon their mindless following of party affiliation and do as I (and
others) do; simply vote for the best man/woman for the job.

I did! He won!

JPH

I'm a pro-life, pro-gun, low-tax Republican living in Boston,
Massachusetts

Is the carnage that takes place in an unnecessary war like Iraq, pro-life?
Is there something I don't know and are their pro-life bullets and bombs
that don't kill? Oh wait,,, you DO believe in killing,,,, or don't you???
Oh wait,,, I get it,,,, only if it allows you to control the actions of
women,,, no problem,,, REALLY I understand, now.

51% of this country did not vote for fascism

Then please tell me what 'HOMELAND' (sounds like FATHERland) to me and the
Patriot Act are about. Let's not forget the TSA, an agency that can put law
into place WITHOUT POSSIBILITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. Tell me what detaining
individuals at G. Bay, for close to two years without even telling them what
they are being accused of and not allowing them access to attorneys sounds
like? (this of course is changing due to court challenges). I'm pretty sure
we pledge, "With liberty and justice for ALL",,, that's what I remember,
Jay. Do you do a different Pledge of Allegiance in Iowa?

gay sex a part of grade-school curricula.

When grade schoolers study traditional marriage in their schools, do those
courses talk about the various sexual positions the man and women get in,
and who gets to be on-top and the like? Of course, not. Mentioning that
Paul may love Sandy or Sandy may Love Jill and be a couple is all that's
mentioned - it's called tolerance for differences Jay. Remember similar
arguments about black people and civil rights? God forbid, back then, if
there was a kids book showing an interracial couple mock gasp.

Lastly, Jay,,,, being around a gay person won't 'make' you gay. Otherwise
Cheney would be 'flaming' (he has a lesbian daughter, don't ya know),,, by
the way,,,, when Cheney was asked he said that he couldn't answer for the
president, but for himself he felt that their SHOULD be an opportunity for
the same things that straight married couples (including civil
union/marriage) have and it was clear that he loved his daughter very much.

.." One of my
best friends is a hardcore lesbian environmental journalist

and you STILL are clueless????

who went to
Smith, and I've worked on the staff of one of the alternative newspapers
up
here.
Yikes, Jay,, that makes you gay, then!

Let's just say that when I went to the Halloween party this year, all
the goths, gays, trannies, and just plain weirdoes looked at me like I was
the freak.

Yeah, and one can imagine that it's not fun for the gay/lesbian population
to be walking around amongst us straights and be looked at like weird
freaks...... See this is what I mean about people like yourself,,, they
don't see the connections between their own observations.


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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -
"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
link.net...

"David Brooks" wrote in message
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That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home,
into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

Get a $&%@!ing helmet, dude.


for the past ten years. Most of the people I know don't understand how an
educated, reasonable person like me could vote for "that chimp
These people are mad Kerry didn't run a liberal campaign and can't stand
that he "was just as pro-war as Bush." Given the choice they'd like us to
pull out of Iraq and beg the UN's forgiveness, raise taxes back to 70% on
Need I say that I think their
policies would devastate this country just as terribly as you think W's
policies will?

Still, I've managed to become and remain friends with quite a few of these
people because I realize that they're not actually bad people, just
misguided. Naturally they feel the same about me. Some of them I'm happy
to
have long debates with over vast quantities of alcohol, others I only talk
about other topics with. Life goes on and is richer for the company of
people who think differently than I do.

, they voted for George W. Bush.
There's a difference if you care to see it.

-cwk.

Hey! Check your oxygen, you're showing symptoms of hypoxia!

JPH

David Brooks wrote:

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit. Most of my
flight instructors have, I know, been to the right of me politically. I had
a most enjoyable flight with CJ - although he has since earned my undying
enmity by unapologetically using the term "Final Solution" in connection
with me and people like me, an astonishing thought coming from an avowedly
religious man, but telling and apt.

But now it seems the nation has, albeit by a slim margin, re-elected a weak,
hypocritical, murderous coward. Three years ago, when some writers on the
left started talking about fascism, I thought that an absurd stretch. No
longer. The parallels are not precise - they never are - but the broad sweep
and many of the components of a new fascist state are in place. The 48% who
didn't vote for this disaster keep knocking on my consciousness, but they
are now feeble and impotent. The thugs are in charge.

That being so, and despite what should be an apolitical setting, I can no
longer in good faith keep company with a group of which the majority, I
know, has elected to deliver the country I love, and chose as my home, into
the hands of Bush and his repressive, regressive masters.

So long. Thanks for all the conversations. You guys have made me a better
pilot.

-- David Brooks

Wow I did too - and he won (must be a conspiracy : )

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:58:50 -0600, J Haggerty
wrote:



Cecil Chapman wrote:



If there is any hope for our country, it will be when people learn to
abandon their mindless following of party affiliation and do as I (and
others) do; simply vote for the best man/woman for the job.

I did! He won!

JPH

Naw, I think he is just feeling a little frustrated. Personally I am just
grateful that Bush clearly had the popular vote (even if slim) so it wasn't
like 2000, made it a little easier to take. Though he still looks like a
chimp grin My candidate at least resembled a humanoid; Herman Munster
GRIN

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -
"Trent Moorehead" wrote in message
...

Cecil Chapman wrote:

Guns
He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a
bowhunter).

He's opposed to private ownership of any firearm except shotguns plugged to three
shells. And just where in the Constitution exactly is hunting mentioned? He prattles
about "military-style assault weapons" while trying to ban semi-automatics, knowing
full well that no military-style assault weapon is semi-automatic.

I have the right to own and fire my Mauser, and, as far as I'm concerned, that
includes the right to be allowed to buy ammunition for it. Kerry tried to ban that,
and we aren't talking anything armor-piercing here.

One of the most frustrating things is that Kerry, Kennedy, and their ilk have people
like you convinced that the laws they want to pass will ban access to modern military
weapons and armour-piercing ammo. They won't. Laws to do that were passed in FDR's
time.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.