CompaqAero-SNAV-Winpilot/CUMobile?

For the digital crowd...a question. I am running a
SNAV/GPSNAV quite happily...but will send the GPSNAV
in for calibration and can pay to have it upgraded
to run the Compaq. Before I go this route....

1.) I already have the Aero and all the cables and
mounts
2.) I do not race
3.) I fly CC...but generally check out the landout
fields early season...so the GPSNAV display tells me
distance...but I know where the field is. The SNAV
gives me glideslope to landouts.

What have you guys seen as the main assest when one
upgrades to this type of PDA? The moving map? I use
the GPSNAV to carry task information from the ship.
Any comments on the two types of software? I use
SeeYou for flight analysis and quite like it.

Hi Stewart,

I'm biased because I sell and support Cambridge products along with Glide
Navigator II, pocket*StrePla, SeeYou Mobile and flyWithCE Navigator, but I
can give you my opinion.

I like the Pocket PC system because it offers a nice moving map with a
graphical representation of available landing fields with reachable airports
highlighted on the screen. All software packages offer those features.

SeeYou Mobile is impressive software. I'm sure you would be happy with it
since you are using SeeYou now. Transferring waypoints, maps and tasks from
SeeYou to SeeYou Mobile is very easy. The only advantage I can suggest in
regard to Glide Navigator II is that it is the only software available that
can download flight logs and upload waypoints to your GPS-NAV. I'm pretty
certain that SeeYou Mobile can't do that. Also, SeeYou can export waypoint
files that can be used in Glide Navigator II.

You may want to check out my soaring flight software comparison:
http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/software-ppc.htm

Years ago I upgraded my L-NAV/GPS-NAV system with a Pocket PC and Pocket-NAV
(now Glide Navigator II). I found that I never used the GPS-NAV display or
the L-NAV final glide data any more. I used the Pocket PC for those
functions. I then used the L-NAV for a speed-to-fly vario only. However,
it was nice having the GPS-NAV LCD display and L-NAV final glide computer as
a back-up to my Pocket PC. I have had to use them as a backup though.

Those are my thoughts.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com

"Stewart Kissel" wrote in
message ...
For the digital crowd...a question. I am running a
SNAV/GPSNAV quite happily...but will send the GPSNAV
in for calibration and can pay to have it upgraded
to run the Compaq. Before I go this route....

1.) I already have the Aero and all the cables and
mounts
2.) I do not race
3.) I fly CC...but generally check out the landout
fields early season...so the GPSNAV display tells me
distance...but I know where the field is. The SNAV
gives me glideslope to landouts.

What have you guys seen as the main assest when one
upgrades to this type of PDA? The moving map? I use
the GPSNAV to carry task information from the ship.
Any comments on the two types of software? I use
SeeYou for flight analysis and quite like it.

Stewart Kissel wrote:
For the digital crowd...a question. I am running a
SNAV/GPSNAV quite happily...but will send the GPSNAV
in for calibration and can pay to have it upgraded
to run the Compaq. Before I go this route....

1.) I already have the Aero and all the cables and
mounts
2.) I do not race
3.) I fly CC...but generally check out the landout
fields early season...so the GPSNAV display tells me
distance...but I know where the field is. The SNAV
gives me glideslope to landouts.

What have you guys seen as the main assest when one
upgrades to this type of PDA? The moving map? I use
the GPSNAV to carry task information from the ship.
Any comments on the two types of software? I use
SeeYou for flight analysis and quite like it.

My experience, after years of flying with and without a moving map:

* if I am very familiar with the area, then the moving map adds very little
* otherwise, it's quite an asset
* this true even for a rudimentary map that just shows the waypoints,
but adding the rivers, towns, roads helps too.
* having the airspace show can be VERY useful, as I occasionally fly
near B and C airspace, and complicated restricted areas
* a map that shows which landing places can be currently reached makes
it easier for me to go cross-country safely.

I used Glide Navigator for years and liked it; now I use SeeYou Mobile
because I believe the terrain and some other features will be helpful,
since about half my flying each year is in unfamiliar places, most of
them with mountains.

With GN you can download your flight to the PDA and leave the logger in
the ship. Mobile can't do this, but I expect it will by next season.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

"Paul Remde" wrote in message news:Ba38d.316401$Fg5.162484@attbi_s53...
SNIP
You may want to check out my soaring flight software comparison:
http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/software-ppc.htm

Paul's software comparison is an excellent source of information.

One more consideration: your subject line refers to "Compaq Aero." If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series that a lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou Mobile will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome displays).

I'm fairly happy with Glide Navigator II (the latest beta, in
particular, has some nice enhancements) although it's more basic than
the feature-rich WinPilot or, I suspect, SeeYou Mobile.

I use a Cambridge GPS-NAV and LNAV combination but I've never owned
the LCD display for the GPS-NAV. My Compaq Aero running Glide
Navigator II performs that function. Maybe I don't know what I'm
missing but I need the panel space and didn't want to spend the extra
money on the display anyway.

Chip Bearden

I am running Winpilot Adv on a Compaq 1550 powered by a Cambridge GPS/NAV
20. It works just fine. The display is very visible and the processing is
fast enough at glider speeds. The features of WP ADV are complex and take
some (long)time to learn, but once learned are very useful.
Hartley Falbaum
ASW27B "KF" USA


"Chip Bearden" wrote in message
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"Paul Remde" wrote in message
news:Ba38d.316401$Fg5.162484@attbi_s53...
SNIP
You may want to check out my soaring flight software comparison:
http://www.soarmn.com/cumulus/software-ppc.htm

Paul's software comparison is an excellent source of information.

One more consideration: your subject line refers to "Compaq Aero." If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series that a lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou Mobile will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome displays).


Chip Bearden

One more consideration: your subject line refers to "Compaq
Aero." If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series that a
lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou Mobile
will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome
displays).


Many have noted here that your display may work better in
sunlight than any of the more recent colour displays, which can
often be difficult to read in flight. However, if you needed more
cpu speed and bought a new gadget chances are that you could turn
off some of the clutter and increase font size (thus making it
easier to read) with an arguably better overall result.

jk

Any XCSoar users want to chime in?





At 20:48 04 October 2004, Jim Kelly wrote:

One more consideration: your subject line refers to
'Compaq
Aero.' If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series
that a
lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou
Mobile
will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome

displays).


Many have noted here that your display may work better
in
sunlight than any of the more recent colour displays,
which can
often be difficult to read in flight. However, if you
needed more
cpu speed and bought a new gadget chances are that
you could turn
off some of the clutter and increase font size (thus
making it
easier to read) with an arguably better overall result.

jk

"HL Falbaum" wrote in message news:58e8d.66936$He1.32064@attbi_s01...
I am running Winpilot Adv on a Compaq 1550 powered by a Cambridge GPS/NAV
20. It works just fine. The display is very visible and the processing is
fast enough at glider speeds.

Cool! After looking at the SeeYou Mobile page, I see that this
software, too, will work on the Compaq 1550 although they recommend
turning off terrain maps.

[BTW, I agree the 1550 display is good: it's more visible than most
(all?) of the color displays although it obviously lacks color.]

That will teach me to do a little more research before I comment next
time. But since I was laboring hard for my employer in the office and
didn't want to take more time away from my job...

Chip Bearden

I think Paul R gives good advice and I also am a Cambridge Dealer but
think the GPSNAV Display and the later 303 display (in same case) are
great for pilots that want a simple and easy to use system and it is
simply not right to sell a customer a system beyond their ability.
Last week I was at Queensland Comps (over 50 gliders I might add and
FAI Australian Nationals at Dalby Q this and next week also over 50
gliders) and was talking just before the flight to a friend in his
seventees and flys their group Duo Discus. All Dennis wanted to know
in the front seat was how to find the next turn point and possibly the
last point and it was all too hard to explain the new back seat pilot
the 3950 - all they both wanted was how to use the 303. Information
overload was not what either pilot wanted and make no mistake Dennis
is a very good crosscountry pilot. The other consideration is how good
are your eyes - GPSNAV and 303 are easy to read when compared to most
HP/ iPaq. I have fitted out many of the newer generation club two
seaters and I always have them with dual GPSNAVS or 303s. I believe
in the KISS principle and will not change. I do admit airspace is not
a problem in Australia and this is one of the reasons given for a
Pocket PC and if you need a map display then use a Garmin!!!. I do not
believe the pocket PC is really necessary for the POST etc - The maths
is no problem but I do think seeking out the 7kt thermals rather than
working the 5kt thermals is by far more important to the bottom line
speed!!!...........Ian McPhee, Byron Bay, Australia.

PS Besides software needed never use a Pocket PC in a Cambridge box
unless the power mod is done (Pin8 on the D9 connector should be 5v
and not 12 volt) and always use a charged Pocket PC linked to a
Cambridge box otherwise there could be problems as the Cambridge only
supplies top up current not full charge current at 5 volts)


Stewart Kissel wrote in message ...
Any XCSoar users want to chime in?





At 20:48 04 October 2004, Jim Kelly wrote:

One more consideration: your subject line refers to
'Compaq
Aero.' If,
by that, you mean the older Compaq 1520/1530/1550 series
that a
lot of
us still use, then I'm not sure that WinPilot or SeeYou
Mobile
will
run satisfactorily (older, slower processors; monochrome

displays).


Many have noted here that your display may work better
in
sunlight than any of the more recent colour displays,
which can
often be difficult to read in flight. However, if you
needed more
cpu speed and bought a new gadget chances are that
you could turn
off some of the clutter and increase font size (thus
making it
easier to read) with an arguably better overall result.

jk

With GN you can download your flight to the PDA.....

Yes, but is this really important? There are other PDA based programs
(300utility for the Cambridge 302, for instance) that will download the
flight log to the PDA.

Tony V. LS6-b "6N"