Cessna Greenlights LSA

Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
www.pbase.com/flyingphotog

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:00:13 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:

Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...

Are you getting your loan papers together?

--
Dallas

Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...

Are you getting your loan papers together?

Anyone else hear that CT -- the current LSA sales leader -- is
experiencing some real problems after a major structural break-up in
Europe? I was told that in Europe CTs are being speed-limited, and
are having their certification re-examined.

(I heard this through a third-party grapevine, so don't quote it as
accurate!)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Jul 10, 2:23 pm, Dallas wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:00:13 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...

Are you getting your loan papers together?

--
Dallas

Not right this minute, but I'm hoping one or two migrate to a FBO here
in the PHX area. I'd love to try it out!

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
www.pbase.com/flyingphotog

Jay Honeck wrote:
Anyone else hear that CT -- the current LSA sales leader -- is
experiencing some real problems after a major structural break-up in
Europe? I was told that in Europe CTs are being speed-limited, and
are having their certification re-examined.

(I heard this through a third-party grapevine, so don't quote it as
accurate!)

I wonder if this is the accident in question:

http://www.avionews.com/index.php?co...po%3Dindex.php

Quoting from the article:

"It was around 11:45am of Saturday 23rd when a Flight Design CT-SW
airplane crashed during the performance, due to reasons still unknown,
causing the death of its pilot, Vittorio Magnani. The Saturday show has
been immediately stopped to let Carabinieri and the competent organs
investigate on the case.

A pilot commentary who was present says: "He dared beyond the limits of
the airplane's structure, thus provoking the in-flight breakdown of the
structure itself and the detachment of the aircraft's tail".

This was just a commentary of a pilot on the spur of the moment, not
coming from any official sources. We therefore refrain from making any
kind of commentary of our own.

Whichever might be the cause of this tragedy, it happened during a show
dedicated to pilots and audience and AVIONEWS joins the grief of the
dead pilot's family."

On Jul 10, 5:55 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:23 pm, Dallas wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:00:13 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...

Are you getting your loan papers together?

--
Dallas

Not right this minute, but I'm hoping one or two migrate to a FBO here
in the PHX area. I'd love to try it out!

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZwww.pbase.com/flyingphotog

This should have a pretty significant impact on the cost of people
getting a license. If a brand new 172 goes for $110 to $130/hr then
one of the Cessna LSAs should be able to be rented for maybe $70/hr
with the lower fuel burn, cheaper plane, and lower insurance (2 seats
vs. 4). My guess is that the biggest impact of the new LSA airplanes &
license will be the fact that it provides a new generation of 2 seat
training aircraft that can be more economically used for training, and
that most of the training done in them will actually be people getting
their private rating vs a light sport rating. This will wind up being
the new generation of 152s or Tomahawks.

One of the issues with student starts has to be the fact that you
either wind up flying a relatively economical but old plane like a
20-30 year old 150/152 or you have to step up to a much more expensive
plane like a 172 to get anything new (I know that things like the
Alarus have been available, but not in the numbers that will happen
when Cessna Pilot Centers are required to each buy an LSA to keep
their affiliation). People have to really love planes to want to go
learn in a plane that looks worse than any car you would be willing to
rent (didn't stop me, but it probably stops a lot of people). The
combination of Cessna Pilot centers everywhere and a new trainer that
students won't be scared off by (either in pricing or appearance)
should lead to a lot more student starts for all ratings.

Anyway, I'll be interested to see where the Cessna LSA starts showing
up for rent, and for how much.

Eric Bartsch
1959 Pilatus P-3-05 A-848

Eric Bartsch wrote:
On Jul 10, 5:55 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:23 pm, Dallas wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:00:13 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...
Are you getting your loan papers together?
--
Dallas
Not right this minute, but I'm hoping one or two migrate to a FBO here
in the PHX area. I'd love to try it out!

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZwww.pbase.com/flyingphotog

This should have a pretty significant impact on the cost of people
getting a license. If a brand new 172 goes for $110 to $130/hr then
one of the Cessna LSAs should be able to be rented for maybe $70/hr
with the lower fuel burn, cheaper plane, and lower insurance (2 seats
vs. 4). My guess is that the biggest impact of the new LSA airplanes &
license will be the fact that it provides a new generation of 2 seat
training aircraft that can be more economically used for training, and
that most of the training done in them will actually be people getting
their private rating vs a light sport rating. This will wind up being
the new generation of 152s or Tomahawks.

Unfortunately for Cessna, that plane already exists.
It's called the Evektor SportStar. Oh wait, it's
made in the Chez republic...

http://www.evektoramerica.com/

One of the issues with student starts has to be the fact that you
either wind up flying a relatively economical but old plane like a
20-30 year old 150/152 or you have to step up to a much more expensive
plane like a 172 to get anything new (I know that things like the
Alarus have been available, but not in the numbers that will happen
when Cessna Pilot Centers are required to each buy an LSA to keep
their affiliation). People have to really love planes to want to go
learn in a plane that looks worse than any car you would be willing to
rent (didn't stop me, but it probably stops a lot of people). The
combination of Cessna Pilot centers everywhere and a new trainer that
students won't be scared off by (either in pricing or appearance)
should lead to a lot more student starts for all ratings.

Anyway, I'll be interested to see where the Cessna LSA starts showing
up for rent, and for how much.

Eric Bartsch
1959 Pilatus P-3-05 A-848

"Jim Stewart" wrote

Unfortunately for Cessna, that plane already exists.
It's called the Evektor SportStar. Oh wait, it's
made in the Chez republic...

Now, if they would put something in it other than a Rotax.

I'll bet Cessna doesn't use a Rotax! g
--
Jim in NC

On Jul 10, 4:31 pm, Jim Stewart wrote:
Eric Bartsch wrote:
On Jul 10, 5:55 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:23 pm, Dallas wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:00:13 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:
Just got an AvWeb flash announcing same...
Are you getting your loan papers together?
--
Dallas
Not right this minute, but I'm hoping one or two migrate to a FBO here
in the PHX area. I'd love to try it out!

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZwww.pbase.com/flyingphotog

This should have a pretty significant impact on the cost of people
getting a license. If a brand new 172 goes for $110 to $130/hr then
one of the Cessna LSAs should be able to be rented for maybe $70/hr
with the lower fuel burn, cheaper plane, and lower insurance (2 seats
vs. 4). My guess is that the biggest impact of the new LSA airplanes &
license will be the fact that it provides a new generation of 2 seat
training aircraft that can be more economically used for training, and
that most of the training done in them will actually be people getting
their private rating vs a light sport rating. This will wind up being
the new generation of 152s or Tomahawks.

Unfortunately for Cessna, that plane already exists.
It's called the Evektor SportStar. Oh wait, it's
made in the Chez republic...

http://www.evektoramerica.com/




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I sat in one at the AOPA clambake last fall at Palm Springs. It's
seems really well built, comfy, great vis and can be very well
equipped. The dealer on hand flew this particular plane from Texas.
IIRC, the gentleman who climbed in and taxied it out for the Parade Of
Planes back to the airport was (putting it nicely) "a couple of
biscuits over average" and he didn't appear to be cramped or
uncomfortable at all.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
www.pbase.com/flyingphotog

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:31:28 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

I was told that in Europe CTs are being speed-limited, and
are having their certification re-examined.

That would be a shame as the CTs look great on paper.

--
Dallas