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The State of the Union: Lies about a Dishonest War
Ted Kennedy. What a hoot! This guy talks a good game but that's about it.
He's a documented adulterer, major league alcoholic, and not much of a driver (one of his dates never got home alive). It appears his moral outrage is selective. He now opposes the use of force to remove a dictator (and his regime) responsible for hundreds of thousands of murders. Yet, regarding the Balkans, his voting record shows a different moral stripe: Voted YES on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo. (May 1999) Voted YES on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999). As Arsenio Hall used to say, "It's enough to make you go 'Hmmmmm.'" Ed "The French couldn't hate us any more unless we helped 'em out in another war." --Will Rogers (Delete text after dot com for e-mail reply.) |
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"Werner J. Severin" wrote:
I may agree with your evaluation of the communicator, but how about the content? That it doesn't belong on a cooking group, nor crossposted |
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Ya know - some day very very soon republican supporters of the demon seed
that is Shrub&Co will understand that he hasn't a ****ing clue what he's saying!!! It's scripted people, Shrub is clueless!!!! "Goomba38" wrote in message ... "Werner J. Severin" wrote: I may agree with your evaluation of the communicator, but how about the content? That it doesn't belong on a cooking group, nor crossposted |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: "Hush, Hush Sweet Icebreaker" Hush,Hush Sweet Date: 1/18/2004 6:33 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: "Polybus" wrote in message . com... A Dishonest War By Edward M. Kennedy Sunday, January 18, 2004; WP Page B07 Wow! Edward "Teddy" Kennedy, a serial adulterer, alcoholic, and Mary Jo Kopechne killer giving me lessons on dishonesty. How rich. ---------------------------------- ICEBREAKER He was also expelled from Harvard for cheating IIRC. Yep, he was--paid someone else to take an exam in his place and got caught. But hey, his big brother jack had hired a ghostwriter to pen his thesis, so maybe it just runs in the family... Brooks Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 17:19:12 GMT, "Fred"
wrote: I'm apolitical OK... |
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In article . net,
on Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:25:00 GMT, None attempted to say ..... "Hush, Hush Sweet Icebreaker" Hush, Hush Sweet wrote in message ... "Tank Fixer" wrote in message .net... Cool, Teddy Kennedy lecturing people on honesty. Ted Kennedy lecturing people on honesty is like...well, it's like Ted Kennedy lecturing people on sobriety. Or lecturing people on weight loss. Or lecturing people on fidelity in marriage. Or YOU lecturing people on which side of your mobile home the license plate goes on especially when you very well know it goes in the center rear...... -- When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net... "None" wrote in message ink.net... Put the shoe on the other foot . . . . prove they weren't! How does one prove a negative? And if I can't prove 10,000 Iraqis weren't killed by the USA, does that prove that 10,000 Iraqis were killed by the USA? Does no burden of proof fall on those that claim 10,000 Iraqis were killed by the USA? Absolutely not. Nor does any burden fall on you or anyone else who either claims 10,000 weren't killed, or questions the number. The underlying fact remains, that be it one, or be it ten thousand killed, its too many. It is the duty of every American citizen to question it's government's motives. In the case of the Iraqi overthrow, even you must admit that there have been many more questions than there have been answers. It's that lack of answers that leads so many to believe that the overthrow of the Iraqi government was nothing more than Bush Jr.'s payback for Hussein's alleged contract hit put out on Bush the Senior. Whether it was or not, when the answers to such serious questions go unanswered, what remains is what the majority will subscribe to. My personal opinion is that, just like the Gulf conflict, of which I was a part, it was all about the oil and nothing more. The fact remains that there have been no WMDs found in Iraq, but we overthrew Iraq's government, ousted it's president, took him into custody, and handed the operation of it's oil fields over to a Texas corporation. We have no choice but to view that action for exactly what it looks like. 10,000 is a very high number. Personally, I hope to think it is nowhere near that number. Statistically, with what our bombs are capable of doing, and since they were unleashed upon Iraq with a fervor, 10,000 is a distinct possibility. But sleep well. We have the oil now. OPEC can go to hell, and the Taliban has been given a reprieve and ample time to regroup - because simply put, now that we have the oil, we've lost our focus. Greed my friend, not only starts wars, but causes the combatants to loose focus with historical accuracy. |
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"None" wrote in message news Absolutely not. Nor does any burden fall on you or anyone else who either claims 10,000 weren't killed, or questions the number. Wrong. The burden of proof always falls on those making the claim. In this case, "Nobody" has claimed 10,000 Iraqis have been killed by the USA, so the burden of proof falls on "Nobody" to support that claim. |
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Arming Iraq and the Path to War
A crisis always has a history, and the current crisis with Iraq is no exception. Below are some relevant dates. September,1980. Iraq invades Iran. The beginning of the Iraq-Iran war. (8) February, 1982. Despite objections from congress, President Reagan removes Iraq from its list of known terrorist countries. (1) December, 1982. Hughes Aircraft ships 60 Defender helicopters to Iraq. (9) 1982-1988. Defense Intelligence Agency provides detailed information for Iraq on Iranian deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for air strikes and bomb damage assessments. (4) November, 1983. A National Security Directive states that the U.S would do "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing its war with Iran. (1) (15) November, 1983. Banca Nazionale del Lavoro of Italy and its Branch in Atlanta begin to funnel $5 billion in unreported loans to Iraq. Iraq, with the blessing and official approval of the US government, purchased computer controlled machine tools, computers, scientific instruments, special alloy steel and aluminum, chemicals, and other industrial goods for Iraq's missile, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs. (14) October, 1983. The Reagan Administration begins secretly allowing Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt to transfer United States weapons, including Howitzers, Huey helicopters, and bombs to Iraq. These shipments violated the Arms Export Control Act. (16) November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians. (1) December 20, 1983 Donald Rumsfeld , then a civilian and now Defense Secretary, meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support. (1) (15) July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops. (19) January 14, 1984. State Department memo acknowledges United States shipment of "dual-use" export hardware and technology. Dual use items are civilian items such as heavy trucks, armored ambulances and communications gear as well as industrial technology that can have a military application. (2) March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. (10) May, 1986. The US Department of Commerce licenses 70 biological exports to Iraq between May of 1985 and 1989, including at least 21 batches of lethal strains of anthrax. (3) May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq. (7) March, 1987. President Reagan bows to the findings of the Tower Commission admitting the sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages. Oliver North uses the profits from the sale to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua. (17) Late 1987. The Iraqi Air Force begins using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq. (1) February, 1988. Saddam Hussein begins the "Anfal" campaign against the Kurds of northern Iraq. The Iraq regime used chemical weapons against the Kurds killing over 100,000 civilians and destroying over 1,200 Kurdish villages. (8) April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas. (7) August, 1988. Four major battles were fought from April to August 1988, in which the Iraqis massively and effectively used chemical weapons to defeat the Iranians. Nerve gas and blister agents such as mustard gas are used. By this time the US Defense Intelligence Agency is heavily involved with Saddam Hussein in battle plan assistance, intelligence gathering and post battle debriefing. In the last major battle with of the war, 65,000 Iranians are killed, many with poison gas. Use of chemical weapons in war is in violation of the Geneva accords of 1925. (6) (13) August, 1988. Iraq and Iran declare a cease fire. (8) August, 1988. Five days after the cease fire Saddam Hussein sends his planes and helicopters to northern Iraq to begin massive chemical attacks against the Kurds. (8) September, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade anthrax and botulinum to Iraq. (7) September 1988. Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State: "The US-Iraqi relationship is... important to our long-term political and economic objectives." (15) December, 1988. Dow chemical sells $1.5 million in pesticides to Iraq despite knowledge that these would be used in chemical weapons. (1) July 25, 1990. US Ambassador to Baghdad meets with Hussein to assure him that President Bush "wanted better and deeper relations". Many believe this visit was a trap set for Hussein. A month later Hussein invaded Kuwait thinking the US would not respond. (12) August, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait. The precursor to the Gulf War. (8) July, 1991 The Financial Times of London reveals that a Florida chemical company had produced and shipped cyanide to Iraq during the 80's using a special CIA courier. Cyanide was used extensively against the Iranians. (11) August, 1991. Christopher Droguol of Atlanta's branch of Banca Nazionale del Lavoro is arrested for his role in supplying loans to Iraq for the purchase of military supplies. He is charged with 347 counts of felony. Droguol is found guilty, but US officials plead innocent of any knowledge of his crime. (14) June, 1992. Ted Kopple of ABC Nightline reports: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]." (5) July, 1992. "The Bush administration deliberately, not inadvertently, helped to arm Iraq by allowing U.S. technology to be shipped to Iraqi military and to Iraqi defense factories... Throughout the course of the Bush administration, U.S. and foreign firms were granted export licenses to ship U.S. technology directly to Iraqi weapons facilities despite ample evidence showing that these factories were producing weapons." Representative Henry Gonzalez, Texas, testimony before the House. (18) February, 1994. Senator Riegle from Michigan, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, testifies before the senate revealing large US shipments of dual-use biological and chemical agents to Iraq that may have been used against US troops in the Gulf War and probably was the cause of the illness known as Gulf War Syndrome. (7) August, 2002. "The use of gas [during the Iran-Iraq war] on the battle field by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern... We were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose". Colonel Walter Lang, former senior US Defense Intelligence officer tells the New York Times. (4) This chronology of the United States' sordid involvement in the arming of Iraq can be summarized in this way: The United States used methods both legal and illegal to help build Saddam's army into the most powerful army in the Mideast outside of Israel. The US supplied chemical and biological agents and technology to Iraq when it knew Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranians. The US supplied the materials and technology for these weapons of mass destruction to Iraq at a time when it was know that Saddam was using this technology to kill his Kurdish citizens. The United States supplied intelligence and battle planning information to Iraq when those battle plans included the use of cyanide, mustard gas and nerve agents. The United States blocked UN censure of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. The United States did not act alone in this effort. The Soviet Union was the largest weapons supplier, but England, France and Germany were also involved in the shipment of arms and technology. So what do these events have to do with the current conflict? Just this: If we do go to war with Iraq, it is important to know why. War will not really be about terrorism. Twenty years ago the United States threw its support behind Saddam Hussein in a geopolitical bid for enhanced access to oil. The trajectory given him by our support lead directly to the Gulf War and to the current crises. War, after all, will be about a history of misdeeds and miscalculations. And war will not be about morality. War will be about cynicism, deceit and a thirst for oil that knows no boundaries. John King Long Prairie, MN 1. Washingtonpost.com. December 30, 2002 2. Jonathan Broder. Nuclear times, Winter 1990-91 3. Kurt Nimno. AlterNet. September 23, 2002 4. Newyorktimes.com. August 29, 2002 5. ABC Nightline. June9, 1992 6. Counter Punch, October 10, 2002 7. Riegle Report: Dual Use Exports. Senate Committee on Banking. May 25, 1994 8. Timeline: A walk Through Iraq's History. U.S. Department of State 9. Doing Business: The Arming of Iraq. Daniel Robichear 10. Glen Rangwala. Labor Left Briefing, 16 September, 2002 11. Financial Times of London. July 3, 1991 12. Elson E. Boles. Counter Punch. October 10, 2002 13. Iran-Iraq War, 1980-1988. Iranchamber.com 14. Columbia Journalism Review. March/April 1993. Iraqgate 15. Times Online. December 31, 2002. How U.S. Helped Iraq Build Deadly Arsenal 16. Bush's Secret Mission. The New Yorker Magazine. November 2, 1992 17. Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia: Iran-Contra Affair 18. Congressional Record. July 27, 1992. Representative Henry B. Gonzalez 19. Bob Woodward. CIA Aiding Iraq in Gulf War. Washington Post. 15 December, 1986 20. WWW.gendercide.com http://www.gendercide.com . Case Study: The Anfal Campaign |
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