In Flight Emergency

I think a more likely scenario in which a tug pilot might wish he had
a parachute would be after a midair collision rather than an engine
failure.

At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:
Yes, and I wear a chute when I fly my glider, but not when I'm
giving
rides in a Grob, Blanik, 2-33, or Lark. Neither do I wear a
parachute
when flying the tug and I've had four engine failures while flying
tow
planes, in none of which would I have considered bailing out.

Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers
with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the
outcome if
one of them should attempt to jump.

On 3/17/2015 9:57 AM, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
In some countries parachutes are mandatory in gliders (for
instance
Poland where the OP is from). In North America they are not
mandatory. Most private owners, at least those I am exposed
to,
choose to wear one. Most pilots flying club single seaters at my
club
wear one. Most instructional flights are done done with out
parachutes. Acrobatic flights as well as standard spin training is
done with parachutes.

Luke

On 03/17/2015 11:43 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
What do you need a chute for? Most tow pilots are also glider
pilots
and fully capable of landing an airplane without the engine
running. It
would be pretty weak to jump out of a perfectly good airplane
just
because the engine stopped which, in this case, it didn't until
the
pilot shut it down.

On 3/17/2015 6:53 AM, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
On 03/16/2015 6:57 PM, wrote:
No chute? Not required?

S

Not required in USA or Canada by law. Parachutes required
in
competitions by the rules.



--
Dan Marotta


--
Dan Marotta

At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:

Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the outcome if
one of them should attempt to jump.

See https://youtu.be/dDhl5dOd4_0. It might make you think again

At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:

Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the outcome if
one of them should attempt to jump.

See https://youtu.be/dDhl5dOd4_0. It might make you think again

In the UK I think we insist on first flight pupils wear a parachute,as to
whether they can use them.
When a first flight was hit by lightning they both had a first parachute
experiences ,and it was the instructor that broke his leg.

At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:

Yes, and I wear a chute when I fly my glider, but not when I'm giving
rides in a Grob, Blanik, 2-33, or Lark. Neither do I wear a parachute
when flying the tug and I've had four engine failures while flying tow
planes, in none of which would I have considered bailing out.

Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the outcome if
one of them should attempt to jump.

On 3/17/2015 9:57 AM, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
In some countries parachutes are mandatory in gliders (for instance
Poland where the OP is from). In North America they are not
mandatory. Most private owners, at least those I am exposed to,
choose to wear one. Most pilots flying club single seaters at my club
wear one. Most instructional flights are done done with out
parachutes. Acrobatic flights as well as standard spin training is
done with parachutes.

Luke

On 03/17/2015 11:43 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
What do you need a chute for? Most tow pilots are also glider pilots
and fully capable of landing an airplane without the engine running.
It
would be pretty weak to jump out of a perfectly good airplane just
because the engine stopped which, in this case, it didn't until the
pilot shut it down.

On 3/17/2015 6:53 AM, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
On 03/16/2015 6:57 PM, wrote:
No chute? Not required?

S

Not required in USA or Canada by law. Parachutes required in
competitions by the rules.



--
Dan Marotta


--
Dan Marotta

On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 12:45:05 PM UTC-5, John Galloway wrote:
I think a more likely scenario in which a tug pilot might wish he had
a parachute would be after a midair collision rather than an engine
failure.


Or an inflight engine fire. Falls "loosely" into "engine failure". But, I know what you are talking about John.

As a friend once said, "The only time there is too much fuel onboard is when the plane is on fire."

Steve Leonard

Not really...

Thanks for posting that, though. After filtering through the standard
broadcast TV BS, it made a really interesting story. Glad they came out
of it OK.

I would question taking passengers under a thunder storm. Isn't that
like poking a bear? Have I done that? Sure. Have I done it with a
passenger? No f**king way!

And yes, I still wear my parachute when I fly my glider. And it's a ram
air canopy just like shown in the video. Do you really use those in
gliders on the east side of the Atlantic?

On 3/17/2015 12:05 PM, Mike Oliver wrote:
At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the outcome if
one of them should attempt to jump.

See https://youtu.be/dDhl5dOd4_0. It might make you think again


--
Dan Marotta

Yes it really happened about 12 years back, and the pupil came back for a
second flight exactly 10 years after.
From memory they thought they were well clear of a dark cloud that then
sent a horizontal charge out that hit the wing tip.
Ask21 and the wholè front of the cockpit blew off so using the parachute
was
a bit of a no brainier really .
One of them landed on a filling station cannopy and they had to get a
ladder
to get him down.


At 19:09 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:
Not really...

Thanks for posting that, though. After filtering through the standard
broadcast TV BS, it made a really interesting story. Glad they came out
of it OK.

I would question taking passengers under a thunder storm. Isn't that
like poking a bear? Have I done that? Sure. Have I done it with a
passenger? No f**king way!

And yes, I still wear my parachute when I fly my glider. And it's a ram
air canopy just like shown in the video. Do you really use those in
gliders on the east side of the Atlantic?

On 3/17/2015 12:05 PM, Mike Oliver wrote:
At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the outcome
if
one of them should attempt to jump.

See https://youtu.be/dDhl5dOd4_0. It might make you think again


--
Dan Marotta

Try this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhl5dOd4_0


At 19:09 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:
Not really...

Thanks for posting that, though. After filtering through the standard
broadcast TV BS, it made a really interesting story. Glad they came out
of it OK.

I would question taking passengers under a thunder storm. Isn't that
like poking a bear? Have I done that? Sure. Have I done it with a
passenger? No f**king way!

And yes, I still wear my parachute when I fly my glider. And it's a ram
air canopy just like shown in the video. Do you really use those in
gliders on the east side of the Atlantic?

On 3/17/2015 12:05 PM, Mike Oliver wrote:
At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote:
Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with
no training required to wear a parachute? I wonder about the outcome
if
one of them should attempt to jump.

See https://youtu.be/dDhl5dOd4_0. It might make you think again


--
Dan Marotta

On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:09:44 -0600, Dan Marotta wrote:

I would question taking passengers under a thunder storm. Isn't that
like poking a bear? Have I done that? Sure. Have I done it with a
passenger? No f**king way!

Although thunderstorm activity was forecast for the day, nobody knew the
cunim that struck the glider was the it was hidden inside a
surrounding bank of cloud and the glider was flying away from the side of
the surrounding cloud when it was hit by the first lightning strike
emitted by that cunim. The full AIB report is he

http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~cline/...%20strike/ASK%
20accident%20report.htm

It makes interesting reading:

By the time I joined a gliding club and started learning to fly in 2000,
almost exactly a year after that lightning strike, nobody flew or was
flown at my club without a parachute, a discipline that we still follow.
I've always heard that is a direct result of the accident.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |

The AIB's comments regarding composite gliders are interesting: "In addition, this accident highlights the inadvisability of flying unprotected composite aircraft in close proximity to thunderstorms and the prudence of wearing parachutes in such composite gliders."

However, I know of no other lightning/glider incidents in which the use of a parachute was needed.

Mike (who routinely flies closer to thunderstorms than advised!)