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If user fees go into effect I'm done
Mxsmanic wrote:
People who are not interested in GA don't see it that way. To them, GA is a hobby for the rich, and they are justifiably curious as to why they should subsidize GA in any way, since they receive nothing in return. They are ignorant. Every day in this country GA is used by businesses large to small. We have two UPS contract flights in and out of our GA airport daily and two check hauling flights daily. Business jets come in and out of here several times a week on business purposes with any of dozens of business located in this town or nearby. All this is GA, not Commercial. Most people have no clue that much of the products that get shipped to their homes come via GA. |
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ktbr wrote:
They are ignorant. Every day in this country GA is used by businesses large to small. We have two UPS contract flights in and out of our GA airport daily and two check hauling flights daily. Business jets come in and out of here several times a week on business purposes with any of dozens of business located in this town or nearby. All this is GA, not Commercial. Not quite. Most of it _is_ commercial, but it's not scheduled airline service, so it's GA. LOTS of GA is commercial in nature. G Most people have no clue that much of the products that get shipped to their homes come via GA. I agree, if you mean products that actually traveled by air. |
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BDS writes:
What is your definition of GA? Anything that's not a commercial transportation service for pay. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
BDS writes: What is your definition of GA? Anything that's not a commercial transportation service for pay. That conflicts with the FAA definition. |
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ktbr writes:
They are ignorant. Every day in this country GA is used by businesses large to small. Forget it. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:
I can think of 3 major companies that together employee ~2500 people in my town of ~20,000 that would not be here if it weren't for the availability of GA flight. In fact, the town would probably dry up and blow away if any one of these left and would certainly do so if any two of them did. What type of business are these companies in? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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ktbr wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote: People who are not interested in GA don't see it that way. To them, GA is a hobby for the rich, and they are justifiably curious as to why they should subsidize GA in any way, since they receive nothing in return. They are ignorant. Every day in this country GA is used by businesses large to small. We have two UPS contract flights in and out of our GA airport daily and two check hauling flights daily. Business jets come in and out of here several times a week on business purposes with any of dozens of business located in this town or nearby. All this is GA, not Commercial. Most people have no clue that much of the products that get shipped to their homes come via GA. "elitist hobby" clearly does not include FedEx, et al feeder flights, medical flights, or serious business aviation. It does include "$100 hamburger" flights, personal transportation flight, personal sightseeing flights, and warbird activities. Smart non-flying folks I know clearly know the difference. I bring this aspect up, because it will become part of the debate about user fees. To ignore the argument does not make it go away. |
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The "hobby" flying that people, including the wealthy, do adds so
little to the cost of maintaining the national airspace system that it is hardly worth mentioning. The things that get money spent on them like airports are helping the struggling masses by supporting businesses that create jobs. I strongly suspect that GA is more of a burden than an asset for the population and society at large. Commercial air travel is a necessity; general aviation is not. I can think of 3 major companies that together employee ~2500 people in my town of ~20,000 that would not be here if it weren't for the availability of GA flight. In fact, the town would probably dry up and blow away if any one of these left and would certainly do so if any two of them did. And since one of these companies just decided to pay for the college education of every single person that graduates from our school system I'd say that means pretty much everybody here benefits from GA. I might go so far as to say that GA, Freight, and Military are necessary and that Air Taxi is usefull. OTOH, the east usefull, to the healthy functioning of our economy is scheduled pasenger service. Peter Just my $0.02 (Wearing Nomex, of course) |
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Sam Spade wrote:
"elitist hobby" clearly does not include FedEx, et al feeder flights, medical flights, or serious business aviation. It does include "$100 hamburger" flights, personal transportation flight, personal sightseeing flights, and warbird activities. Well the so called "hamburger" flying you talk about is probably 30% or less of the traffic that takes place at this airport. 75% of the fuel we sell is for business general aviation activities. Of course when you force out 20% of these useless "hamburger" pilots then the rest of GA will pay more for parts and maintenance in the long run... if they can find a place that is still in business to do it. Besides... Jimmy Carter already tried something like this by raising taxes on so called "luxury" boats and ended up putting lots of folks out of work as a result. That industry didn't rebound until that tax was repealed. |
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B A R R Y wrote:
Not quite. Most of it _is_ commercial, but it's not scheduled airline service, so it's GA. LOTS of GA is commercial in nature. G Exactly. Thanks for making my point. |
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