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Old June 5th 04, 11:36 AM
WalterM140
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2 Democrats: Bush Let Guard Down
Gore Surrogates Revive Issue of Apparent Laxity in Candidate's Military Service

By George Lardner Jr. and Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 3, 2000; Page A22


Two high-profile surrogates for Vice President Gore, in an 11th-hour attempt to
exploit a dormant issue, yesterday castigated George W. Bush over allegations
that he did not fulfill some of his National Guard duties in the 1970s.



Democratic Sens. Bob Kerrey (Neb.) and Daniel Inouye (Hawaii), both Medal of
Honor winners, were drafted to attack Bush on a 27-year-old controversy that
the Gore campaign has avoided mentioning until now. They spoke by phone to a
veterans rally in Nashville led by Sen. Max Cleland (D-Ga.), a decorated
Vietnam veteran. Reporters were invited to listen by conference call.

Bush says he fulfilled all his obligations as a pilot in the Air National
Guard, but he has had difficulty rebutting charges that he played hooky for a
year.

"Where were you, Governor Bush?" Inouye asked. "What about your commitment?
What would you do as commander in chief if someone in the Guard or service did
the same thing?"

Kerrey questioned how Bush immediately got into the Guard "even though there
were 500 people ahead of him" at a time when "350 Americans were dying every
single week in Vietnam." Kerrey has been drawing a sharp contrast with Gore,
who served in Vietnam.

Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer called the attacks "the final throes of a campaign
that has now lost any semblance of decency. The governor, of course, was
honorably discharged, and these are inventions and fabrications. All the
questions have been answered."

But Gore spokesman Mark Fabiani said the senators "seem to have raised some
very important questions . . . that deserve an answer."

Bush signed up with the Texas National Guard for six years in May 1968, which
allowed him to avoid the Vietnam draft. He became an F-102 pilot in 1970 but
made his last flight in April 1972 before moving to Alabama to work on a GOP
Senate campaign. The dispute centers on what he did in the Guard between that
point and September 1973, when he entered Harvard Business School.

Bush campaign officials say their evidence shows that he did his duty in
1972-73, when he worked for six months on the Senate race in Alabama and then
returned to his home base outside Houston. But other documents in his Guard
record contradict that claim, and critics who have examined that record contend
that he also skimped on his obligations in 1973-74. It is safe to say that Bush
did very light duty in his last two years in the Guard and that his superiors
made it easy for him.

The personnel officer in charge of Bush's 147th Fighter Group, now-retired Col.
Rufus G. Martin, says he tried to give Bush a light load, telling him to apply
to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala.

Martin said in an interview that he knew Bush wasn't eligible for the 9921st,
an unpaid, general training squadron that met once a week to hear lectures on
first aid and the like. "However," he said, "I thought it was worth a try. . .
.. It was the least participation of any type of unit." But Air Force Reserve
officials rejected the assignment, saying Bush had two more years of military
obligations and was ineligible for a reserve squadron that had nothing to do
with flying airplanes. Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett said Bush didn't know that
when he applied.

Bush had been notified that he needed to take his annual flying physical by his
26th birthday in July 1972, but the move to Alabama made that unnecessary. He
had been trained to fly F-102 fighter-interceptors, and none of the units in
Alabama had those planes. He could have taken the physical to preserve his
pilot's status but chose not to do so. "Because he wasn't flying," Bartlett
said.

On Aug. 1, 1972, Bush's commander in Houston, Col. Bobby W. Hodges, ordered him
grounded for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination." Some critics
say this should have triggered a formal board of inquiry, but Hodges said in an
interview that this was unnecessary because Bush accepted the penalty and knew
"he couldn't fly again until he takes a physical."

"It happens all the time," Hodges said of the grounding. "That is normal when a
Guardsman is out of state or out of the country."

In September, Bush was assigned to another Alabama unit, the 187th Tactical
Reconnaissance Group. Since "Lieutenant Bush will not be able to satisfy his
flight requirements with our group," the unit told him to report for
"equivalent training"--such as debriefing pilots--on the weekends of Oct. 7-8
and Nov. 4-5, 1972.

There is no evidence in his record that he showed up on either weekend. Friends
on the Alabama campaign say he told them of having to do Guard duty, but the
retired general who commanded the 187th, William Turnipseed, and his personnel
chief, Kenneth K. Lott, say they do not remember Bush ever reporting.

The Bush campaign points to a torn piece of paper in his Guard records, a
statement of points Bush apparently earned in 1972-73, although most of the
dates and Bush's name except for the "W" have been torn off.

According to the torn Air Reserve Forces sheet, Bush continued to compile
service credits after returning to Houston, winding up his fifth year with 56
points, six above the minimum needed for retention. However, Bush's annual
effectiveness report, signed by two superiors, says "Lt. Bush has not been
observed at this unit during the period of the report," May 1, 1972, to April
30, 1973.

Hodges also said he did not see Bush at the Texas base again after Bush left
for Montgomery. "If I had been there on the day[s] he came out, I would have
seen him," Hodges said.




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Old June 5th 04, 02:01 PM
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Let's clarify this a bit. What the writer MEANT to say what that two DEMOCRATIC
PARTY politicians who just happened to have been awarded the Medal of Honor
have once again criticized President Bush's service in the Air National Guard.
The emphasis should not be that they won the Medal of Honor because there are
likely quite a few of the living holders of that medal who are not criticizing
President Bush's service in the Air National Guard. But as DEMOCRATIC PARTY
politicians, the two Senators have a powerful vested interest in criticizing a
Republican president if even the remotest possibility exists to do so.

Jerry Hall
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Old June 5th 04, 02:24 PM
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First, what does the Medal of Honor have to do with politics? Nothing.

Second, we're talking about only two people. That's 2 out of 132 surviving
medal winners from WW2, Korea and Vietnam. If you do the math, that's 1.5
percent! Hardly a thought-provoking statistic.

If you were to poll the others, you may be shocked at the statistics. I know of
one locally who supports the President.

Ed
"If an enemy power is bent on conquering you, and proposed to
turn all of his resources to that end, he is at war with you;
and you -- unless you contemplate surrender -- are at war with
him." --Barry Goldwater

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Old June 5th 04, 08:02 PM
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Let's clarify this a bit. What the writer MEANT to say what that two
DEMOCRATIC
PARTY politicians who just happened to have been awarded the Medal of Honor...


People don't just "happen" to be awarded the MOH.

Try again.

Walt


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Old June 5th 04, 08:02 PM
WalterM140
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First, what does the Medal of Honor have to do with politics? Nothing.

Second, we're talking about only two people. That's 2 out of 132 surviving
medal winners from WW2, Korea and Vietnam. If you do the math, that's 1.5
percent! Hardly a thought-provoking statistic.


That's pitiful.

Walt
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Old June 5th 04, 08:18 PM
W. D. Allen Sr.
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Let's get something straight!

Whether George Bush "served" in the Air National Guard or not, today he has
almost three years experience as wartime Commander-In Chief of the greatest
military force in history of mankind, which John Kerry does NOT have!
Kerry's four months of dodging bullets and mooching medals hardly qualifies
as military Command-In-Chief experience, which is the job in question, not
being patrol boat commander!

Those two MOH winners cited need to get a sense of proportion, especially
Bob Kerrey who has been so blatantly partisan at political blame laying
while a member of that appalling 9/11 "Star Chamber" Congressional
Commission!

So either get it right or forget it!

WDA

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"WalterM140" wrote in message
...
2 Democrats: Bush Let Guard Down
Gore Surrogates Revive Issue of Apparent Laxity in Candidate's Military

Service

By George Lardner Jr. and Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 3, 2000; Page A22


Two high-profile surrogates for Vice President Gore, in an 11th-hour

attempt to
exploit a dormant issue, yesterday castigated George W. Bush over

allegations
that he did not fulfill some of his National Guard duties in the 1970s.



Democratic Sens. Bob Kerrey (Neb.) and Daniel Inouye (Hawaii), both Medal

of
Honor winners, were drafted to attack Bush on a 27-year-old controversy

that
the Gore campaign has avoided mentioning until now. They spoke by phone to

a
veterans rally in Nashville led by Sen. Max Cleland (D-Ga.), a decorated
Vietnam veteran. Reporters were invited to listen by conference call.

Bush says he fulfilled all his obligations as a pilot in the Air National
Guard, but he has had difficulty rebutting charges that he played hooky

for a
year.

"Where were you, Governor Bush?" Inouye asked. "What about your

commitment?
What would you do as commander in chief if someone in the Guard or service

did
the same thing?"

Kerrey questioned how Bush immediately got into the Guard "even though

there
were 500 people ahead of him" at a time when "350 Americans were dying

every
single week in Vietnam." Kerrey has been drawing a sharp contrast with

Gore,
who served in Vietnam.

Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer called the attacks "the final throes of a

campaign
that has now lost any semblance of decency. The governor, of course, was
honorably discharged, and these are inventions and fabrications. All the
questions have been answered."

But Gore spokesman Mark Fabiani said the senators "seem to have raised

some
very important questions . . . that deserve an answer."

Bush signed up with the Texas National Guard for six years in May 1968,

which
allowed him to avoid the Vietnam draft. He became an F-102 pilot in 1970

but
made his last flight in April 1972 before moving to Alabama to work on a

GOP
Senate campaign. The dispute centers on what he did in the Guard between

that
point and September 1973, when he entered Harvard Business School.

Bush campaign officials say their evidence shows that he did his duty in
1972-73, when he worked for six months on the Senate race in Alabama and

then
returned to his home base outside Houston. But other documents in his

Guard
record contradict that claim, and critics who have examined that record

contend
that he also skimped on his obligations in 1973-74. It is safe to say that

Bush
did very light duty in his last two years in the Guard and that his

superiors
made it easy for him.

The personnel officer in charge of Bush's 147th Fighter Group, now-retired

Col.
Rufus G. Martin, says he tried to give Bush a light load, telling him to

apply
to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala.

Martin said in an interview that he knew Bush wasn't eligible for the

9921st,
an unpaid, general training squadron that met once a week to hear lectures

on
first aid and the like. "However," he said, "I thought it was worth a try.

.. .
. It was the least participation of any type of unit." But Air Force

Reserve
officials rejected the assignment, saying Bush had two more years of

military
obligations and was ineligible for a reserve squadron that had nothing to

do
with flying airplanes. Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett said Bush didn't know

that
when he applied.

Bush had been notified that he needed to take his annual flying physical

by his
26th birthday in July 1972, but the move to Alabama made that unnecessary.

He
had been trained to fly F-102 fighter-interceptors, and none of the units

in
Alabama had those planes. He could have taken the physical to preserve his
pilot's status but chose not to do so. "Because he wasn't flying,"

Bartlett
said.

On Aug. 1, 1972, Bush's commander in Houston, Col. Bobby W. Hodges,

ordered him
grounded for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination." Some

critics
say this should have triggered a formal board of inquiry, but Hodges said

in an
interview that this was unnecessary because Bush accepted the penalty and

knew
"he couldn't fly again until he takes a physical."

"It happens all the time," Hodges said of the grounding. "That is normal

when a
Guardsman is out of state or out of the country."

In September, Bush was assigned to another Alabama unit, the 187th

Tactical
Reconnaissance Group. Since "Lieutenant Bush will not be able to satisfy

his
flight requirements with our group," the unit told him to report for
"equivalent training"--such as debriefing pilots--on the weekends of Oct.

7-8
and Nov. 4-5, 1972.

There is no evidence in his record that he showed up on either weekend.

Friends
on the Alabama campaign say he told them of having to do Guard duty, but

the
retired general who commanded the 187th, William Turnipseed, and his

personnel
chief, Kenneth K. Lott, say they do not remember Bush ever reporting.

The Bush campaign points to a torn piece of paper in his Guard records, a
statement of points Bush apparently earned in 1972-73, although most of

the
dates and Bush's name except for the "W" have been torn off.

According to the torn Air Reserve Forces sheet, Bush continued to compile
service credits after returning to Houston, winding up his fifth year with

56
points, six above the minimum needed for retention. However, Bush's annual
effectiveness report, signed by two superiors, says "Lt. Bush has not been
observed at this unit during the period of the report," May 1, 1972, to

April
30, 1973.

Hodges also said he did not see Bush at the Texas base again after Bush

left
for Montgomery. "If I had been there on the day[s] he came out, I would

have
seen him," Hodges said.






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Old June 5th 04, 08:43 PM
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"WalterM140" wrote in message
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2 Democrats: Bush Let Guard Down
Gore Surrogates Revive Issue of Apparent Laxity in Candidate's Military

Service


and you would believe them? How does receiving the Medal of Honor better
qualify them to pass judgement on anything? Bravery in combat doesn't
translate to superior analytical abilities. Furthermore they are, as the
title "2 Democats...." notes, Democrat politicians, and therefore their
views on this matter are going to be suspect to any reasonable person. Here
is a more balance analysis of Bush's service. Note it isn't from one of the
fringe publications you like to quote:

http://web.archive.org/web/200012022....com/bush.html

Jarg


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Old June 5th 04, 09:16 PM
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WalterM140 wrote:
Let's clarify this a bit. What the writer MEANT to say what that two
DEMOCRATIC
PARTY politicians who just happened to have been awarded the Medal of
Honor...


People don't just "happen" to be awarded the MOH.

Try again.

Walt


You failed to mention that they both had won their MOHs long before they became
politicians. It was merely a credit to their good sense that those brave men
chose to become Democratic politicians.

George Z.


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Old June 5th 04, 09:22 PM
Jarg
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"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
...
WalterM140 wrote:
Let's clarify this a bit. What the writer MEANT to say what that two
DEMOCRATIC
PARTY politicians who just happened to have been awarded the Medal of
Honor...


People don't just "happen" to be awarded the MOH.

Try again.

Walt


You failed to mention that they both had won their MOHs long before they

became
politicians. It was merely a credit to their good sense that those brave

men
chose to become Democratic politicians.

George Z.



True, Democrat politicians have the advantage of representing poor thinkers,
so that was sensible given their limited reasoning abilities. Makes
reelection more likely.

But winning the Medal of Honor doens't indicate good sense. Bravery, yes.
Good sense, questionable.

Jarg


 




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