Picking up a Clearance Airborne

Actually, you ARE talking about clouds. You wrote; "Besides he'll usually
see the CU on his radar too." CU is cumulus, a type of cloud. Thunderstorm
is TS or TSTM.

Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one another.
Hank

And WHERE did you get THAT impression?

Hankal wrote:


Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and learn from one another.
Hank

"Hankal" wrote in message
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Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one
another.


If you accept everything you see here as fact what exactly have you lerned?

How not to spell?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Hankal" wrote in message
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Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one
another.


If you accept everything you see here as fact what exactly have you
lerned?

How not to spell?

I was wondering if you would pick that up. Learn.

I expected Steven to use "lernt" in his reply.
---JRC---

"Hankal" wrote in message =
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How not to spell?
=20
I was wondering if you would pick that up. Learn.

What's a nit?

Is it similar to a Tic terd?

Tic terd = excrement of a Tic. i.e. too small and insignificant for adults
to worry about.


"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Hankal" wrote in message
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Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one
another.


If you accept everything you see here as fact what exactly have you
lerned?

(Hankal) wrote
Actually, you ARE talking about clouds. You wrote; "Besides he'll usually
see the CU on his radar too." CU is cumulus, a type of cloud. Thunderstorm
is TS or TSTM.

Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one another.

While Steve tends to be a bit abrasive, it's generally a mistake to
dismiss his comments as nitpicking.

If you have the capability to determine which clouds contain
convective activity and which ones don't (this means RADAR or sferics
- anything you download from a remote site merely tells you which ones
USED TO contain or not contain convective activity at the time the
data was sent) then you can reasonably operate IFR when T-storms are
present.

If you don't have that capability, then you really have to stay visual
at all times - and thus the question of "Why are you filing IFR if you
can't enter clouds?" becomes very valid.

Thus you tend to get very different perspectives from those who have
weather avoidance gear in the cockpit and those who don't.

Michael

"Dan Luke" wrote
I've actually visited the Houston TRACON and talked to a couple of
controllers about this issue. I received the very clear message that
getting my clearance on the ground was the "right" way to do it (wink,
wink).

My experience has been that getting a clearance in the air in the
Houston area is bad - but getting it on the ground by cellphone is
worse. Too many delays and 'accidental' disconnects.

In both cases, I find that it helps to do a few things. Remember, the
frequencies and phone lines are recorded.

I never get disconnected a second time when trying to get a clearance
by phone, because on the call back I always make it a point to mention
that someone hung up on me before. I figure the guy knows that if it
gets to his supervisor, well, once is an accident but twice is a
pattern.

I always make it a point to make my callup in a way that includes IFR,
as in: "N123 off Weiser, climbing through 1400, (looking for) IFR to
Somewhere." Of course the 'looking for' part is mumbled, and now the
controller has to look for my strip no matter what; not answering me
is really not an option because he's not really sure if I'm already
IFR or not. I know these guys often don't even bother answering the
guys who call for VFR flight following.

It's pretty sad that I have to do it this way, but I don't have much
choice.

When the weather is good enough for me to cover 20-30 miles VFR, I
don't even bother talking to approach. I simply wait until I'm out of
their airspace, and then call Houston Center. Much better service all
around.

As for the original poster - if a polite request for an IFR clearance
produced a refusal, a landing is in order followed by a phone call -
to the Tracon supervisor.

Michael

If you don't have that capability, then you really have to stay visual
at all times - and thus the question of "Why are you filing IFR if you
can't enter clouds?" becomes very valid.

I do not have my 172 with any kind of weather or TS capability.
However I have been on some CX and storms have formed. I always have been
granted to change course. Here in South Florida we can leave when the weather
is very nice and an hour later TS have formed.
Most pilots state that we in Florida do not have IFR weather.
Hank