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"Jay Honeck" wrote This guy was always the "wild uncle" -- motorcycling across Europe, traveling the world with a back pack and a smile, never having a pot to pee in but living extravagantly -- and I suppose he took a few flight lessons and decided that he already knew what he needed to know... I shudder to think about it now... I wonder how many people are flying without ever having their ticket, or have been flying for years since they were legal. I hear of a guy around my area who has not had a medical for 15 years. -- Jim in NC |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... "Jay Honeck" wrote This guy was always the "wild uncle" -- motorcycling across Europe, traveling the world with a back pack and a smile, never having a pot to pee in but living extravagantly -- and I suppose he took a few flight lessons and decided that he already knew what he needed to know... I shudder to think about it now... I wonder how many people are flying without ever having their ticket, or have been flying for years since they were legal. I hear of a guy around my area who has not had a medical for 15 years. -- Jim in NC The proportion is probably not much different than the number of people that drive without a drivers license. A larger number than most would expect. The chances of getting caught are minimal. |
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote Yes, I will not fly with any private or non-professional commercial pilot except in the right seat unless they have demonstrated TO ME that they are competent. I may simply be paranoid. So, how do you learn if they are competent, if you don't fly with them? -- Jim in NC |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote:
Thus the problem with generalizations. When you fail to qualify your statement, it becomes inaccurate. This seems a little silly to me ... what you claim was my "generalization" did not make my comment "inaccurate". It was part of a discussion about differing attitudes about offering and accepting airplane and car rides from strangers. No accurate or inaccurate about it, just added a comment to the topic; but feel free to dissect the words and phrases and label each if you feel that need. Just because someone else is vouching for a person, that does not keep them from being a total stranger. It simply makes them a different kind of total stranger. Agreed. But in the scenario I was talking about, no one had vouched for anyone. The minute you begin to learn things about someone, they become less of a stranger, and what you've learned influences decisions about things like accepting invites for flights or rides. Pilots and passengers at major airlines are usually total strangers too; however, their business is offering rides for money, you are in need of the ride, and even though you don't know the pilots or the mechanics, there is *some* implied assurance that these people had certain qualifications for their jobs, and the pilots now have a little more implied assurance that passengers aren't going to be dangerous. Even with all that, there's still some risk. But that's still different than going to an airport and approaching any stranger standing next to any airplane to take you to your destination...or to hop into your airplane with you. Thank you for illustrating exactly the problem with generalizations I was talking about. I am aware of the problem with generalizations, but I'm not sure what your problem is with my comment. You're free to think it's fine to accept plane rides from some random person on the field or to expect that any stranger you offer a ride to will assume you're a competent pilot if that's your opinion. But it's reasonably analagous to hitch-hiking, which is not a uniformly dangerous practice. Maybe you need to take some of your own advice about generalizations. I don't know where you live, but many would disagree that hitch-hiking "is not a uniformly dangerous practice." Quite the opposite. The person you described was not someone you had any reason to believe "was not entirely safe." The only reason for declining the ride was your lack of knowledge about him, not some specific knowledge about him. Actually, I didn't have "specific knowledge", but I did have *reason* to believe he was not entirely safe. He wouldn't go away while I was trying to preflight, he bragged about having 3000 hours and no accidents, and his overall arrogant attitude was *more* than enough for me to feel he "was not entirely safe." That may be an inaccurate assumption, maybe he's one terrific pilot; but the feeling I had about his attitude and arrogance was real enough to be a red flag *to me* about flying with him .... which WAS Jay's question. |
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"Jimmy B." wrote in message
nk.net... Yes, I have refused to fly with people who I felt were unsafe. I've also refused to fly as PIC with people who I felt were unsafe. Being PIC does nothing for you if the other person grabs the yoke on short final and you both wind up as a flaming ball of wreckage. Had that happen to me once... Before the flight, I had instructed him that he was under no circumstances to touch the controls... He freaked out during a bank, grabbed the yoke and his feet started pumping the rudder pedals... I put a right elbow with a significant amount of force into his upper torso area and he let go... If he hadn't, the next elbow was going to be going into his face... I won't fly with him again... |
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wrote in message
... [...] I am aware of the problem with generalizations, but I'm not sure what your problem is with my comment. Your comment was a generalization. I simply said one should be careful about making generalizations, such as the one you made. Your blanket statement is not correct 100% of the time (a common problem with generalizations). [...] Actually, I didn't have "specific knowledge", but I did have *reason* to believe he was not entirely safe. He wouldn't go away while I was trying to preflight, he bragged about having 3000 hours and no accidents, and his overall arrogant attitude was *more* than enough for me to feel he "was not entirely safe." You know all that about the guy, and yet you call him a total stranger? At the same time, you equivocate about what constitutes a total stranger with respect to my examples? You are funny. Thanks for the giggle. |
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wrote in message
... I don't know what examples there are of people taking car rides or plane rides from total strangers--no one I know gets into a car with a person they don't even know. If my car was broke down on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere and someone offered me a ride, I wouldn't have a problem with it... Of course, I always carry a .45 with me so that might affect my judgement somewhat... |
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wrote in message
... Did you just pick people at random on the street that you assumed needed rides? In Houston, it is fairly common for people to drive by the Park-and-Ride locations and offer rides to people waiting on the bus so that they can take the HOV lane instead of being stuck in one of the12 lane parking lots that we call "expressways"... |
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"Peter Duniho" wrote:
Your blanket statement is not correct 100% of the time (a common problem with generalizations). But that didn't keep you from making one. Actually, I didn't have "specific knowledge", but I did have *reason* to believe he was not entirely safe. He wouldn't go away while I was trying to preflight, he bragged about having 3000 hours and no accidents, and his overall arrogant attitude was *more* than enough for me to feel he "was not entirely safe." You know all that about the guy, and yet you call him a total stranger? You are funny. Thanks for the giggle. Yes, he was/is a total stranger. I never saw the guy before. After a few minutes of conversation, only thing I *knew* was that in my opinion, he was an arrogant blowhard. As another poster said, some traits on the ground may or may not also present in the cockpit. Reasons for "not feeling a person is entirely safe" for some of us DO include a person's attitude, regardless of how many hours he says he has. Think I'm funny and giggle if you want ... I'm not THAT desperate to fly. And that *was* Jay's question. |
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