I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

I don't know the details, but it is possible that they simply aren't allowed
by insurance to give demo flights to student pilots. Have they offered to
demo the airplane to you as long as you don't fly it?

The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

My advice is to cool your jets on buying an airplane and finish getting your
ticket. Flying your own plane just adds another distraction. Insurance
will be very, very tough to get. Keep your eye on the ball.

- Mark

I have a King KLN90B that has some repair issues. I think it should go
back to King for a rebuild. Is it possible for me to call King and get
an RMA number? Or do I have to go to an avionics repair place.

markjen wrote:


The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

For another reason. Up until recently here the main reason they wanted to
see your drivers license is so they could grab the SSN off it so they could
go run a quick credit check on you.

My wife was surprised they let me go drive a $45,000 vehicle without even
the salesman along (and I pointed out that they had already determined that
I was good for it). We even drove the thing off the lot with temporary
tags and a "promise" to come back and give them a check for the down payment.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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markjen wrote:


The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give
demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

For another reason. Up until recently here the main reason they wanted
to
see your drivers license is so they could grab the SSN off it so they
could
go run a quick credit check on you.

My wife was surprised they let me go drive a $45,000 vehicle without even
the salesman along (and I pointed out that they had already determined
that
I was good for it). We even drove the thing off the lot with temporary
tags and a "promise" to come back and give them a check for the down
payment.


I don't think anyone is allowed to run a credit check with out your
permission. Not all states use a ssn as a DL number.

It is legal to run a credit check on anyone if you do it for a legitimate
business purpose. Auto dealers can run a check on you without your
permission.

However, since FICO scores reflect a negative value for each recent check,
many business have started asking permission to avoid damaging your credit
and getting a bad reaction from you.



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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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markjen wrote:


The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give
demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

For another reason. Up until recently here the main reason they wanted
to
see your drivers license is so they could grab the SSN off it so they
could
go run a quick credit check on you.

My wife was surprised they let me go drive a $45,000 vehicle without even
the salesman along (and I pointed out that they had already determined
that
I was good for it). We even drove the thing off the lot with temporary
tags and a "promise" to come back and give them a check for the down
payment.


I don't think anyone is allowed to run a credit check with out your
permission. Not all states use a ssn as a DL number.

NW_PILOT wrote:


I don't think anyone is allowed to run a credit check with out your
permission. Not all states use a ssn as a DL number.


Chortle...of course they run them without your permission.
Virginia only switched away from SSN's in the past year or so.
Many people who haven't renewed (they're good for 5 years) still
have SSN's.
'

NW_PILOT wrote:

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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markjen wrote:


The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give

demos to

customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

For another reason. Up until recently here the main reason they wanted

to

see your drivers license is so they could grab the SSN off it so they

could

go run a quick credit check on you.

My wife was surprised they let me go drive a $45,000 vehicle without even
the salesman along (and I pointed out that they had already determined

that

I was good for it). We even drove the thing off the lot with temporary
tags and a "promise" to come back and give them a check for the down

payment.


I don't think anyone is allowed to run a credit check with out your
permission. Not all states use a ssn as a DL number.



They do it, and they can prolly use your DL # to look you up even if
it's not an SSN. I took to telling them as I handed them my license "I
am specifically NOT giving you permission to run a credit check with
this information, and I'm sure your finance guy knows that I can look up
inquiries in my report to verify that you did not." That often gets a
double-take from them but they never ran the check when I told them that.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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markjen wrote:


The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give
demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

For another reason. Up until recently here the main reason they wanted
to
see your drivers license is so they could grab the SSN off it so they
could
go run a quick credit check on you.

Most states (??) don't use the SSN on the drivers license (optional for some
states).

My wife was surprised they let me go drive a $45,000 vehicle without even
the salesman along (and I pointed out that they had already determined
that
I was good for it). We even drove the thing off the lot with temporary
tags and a "promise" to come back and give them a check for the down
payment.

What did you drive into the dealership in? Beater or newer comparable model.

On the other hand, Mercedes-Benz dealers won't give any test
drives...period. I showed up to look at an E500 in my wife's one year old
Infiniti Q-45 and they still wanted me to buy it without driving it.
--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Having driven many of them, I understand why they would not want you to
drive it.

The BMW has a much better driving experience.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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markjen wrote:


The situation isn't exactly the same, but not many car dealers give
demos to
customers who don't yet have their driver's license.

For another reason. Up until recently here the main reason they wanted
to
see your drivers license is so they could grab the SSN off it so they
could
go run a quick credit check on you.

Most states (??) don't use the SSN on the drivers license (optional for
some
states).

My wife was surprised they let me go drive a $45,000 vehicle without even
the salesman along (and I pointed out that they had already determined
that
I was good for it). We even drove the thing off the lot with temporary
tags and a "promise" to come back and give them a check for the down
payment.

What did you drive into the dealership in? Beater or newer comparable
model.

On the other hand, Mercedes-Benz dealers won't give any test
drives...period. I showed up to look at an E500 in my wife's one year old
Infiniti Q-45 and they still wanted me to buy it without driving it.
--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Dude wrote:
Having driven many of them, I understand why they would not want you to
drive it.

Mercedes had a special event last summer when they invited a whole slew
of people out to the parking lot of the local pro sports team and drove
a few hot autocross laps with a professional driver (mind you they wouldn't
let us do that ourselves), they also let us test drive a few models in the
lot (at lower speeds) and test a car with AWD (or was it antilock) on a little
soapy skid pad.

All it did is convince me I didn't want a Mercedes. Even the so called
"sports" models had steering and handling that you'd expect from a limosine.