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  #41  
Old April 7th 07, 08:00 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Martin Hotze
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On 6 Apr 2007 20:13:28 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

It's amazing how gullible some of the supposedly smartest people in

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the world can be. Of course, this is happening in a society that

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spends $7 BILLION dollars annually on...bottled *water*.


you're referring to people in the US.


There *are* people with a clue - both within and outside the US.

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  #42  
Old April 7th 07, 11:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
kontiki
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Gene Seibel wrote:
Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors.


This is a reflection of increased solar activity.
  #43  
Old April 7th 07, 11:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]
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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Borat writes:

With respect, I tend to go with people who have been studying this
for years and overall there are more scientists supporting the global
warming prognosis.


Nothing makes people who have been studying something for years honest
or objective (even with themselves).

Scientists have to eat, and they soon learn that one good way to eat
is to do studies that reach acceptable and desirable conclusions.
Doing studies that reach unpopular conclusions leads to ridicule and a
loss of income.

Right now, global warming is where the money and glory are. So
scientists study global warming, and they make sure that they reach
the right conclusions.

What has changed is the availability of even more powerful computers
available to model various scenarios.


Computer power is not the problem. Accurate models are the problem.
Nobody knows how to create an accurate model of global climate.
Nobody even has a clue, in fact. There are too many variables and the
climate is too complex. Nobody knows which factors are important;
indeed, nobody knows all the factors to begin with. There is no way
today to predict the climate 100 years from now, or even a year from
now, no matter how powerful the computers.

Scientists can't even predict local weather 24 hours from now.

Global warming is not about what happens on a day by day basis but
over long periods of time.


And that's why we really know nothing about it. We can only watch and
observe.

You would be well ****ed if they started telling you how to be an inn
keeper.


Most people get upset whenever anyone questions their competence.
That doesn't mean that competence should not be questioned.

Thirty years ago, scientists were predicting a new ice age. Where's
the ice?


In your brain and nuts?

Bertie
  #44  
Old April 8th 07, 12:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Don Tabor
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:28:47 +0100, "Borat" wrote:

I think we have to be very careful about the facts in this
discussion. The data (or "Back-casting", as we used to call it) shows
that temperatures worldwide have climbed incrementally in the last
hundred years. The data does NOT show why this is happening, and
everyone is misconstruing "educated guesses" as "facts".


With respect, I tend to go with people who have been studying this for years
and overall there are more scientists supporting the global warming
prognosis.


But how would you know?

The IPCC Summary for Policymakers was written by bureaucrats with
political motives. It is supposed to be a summary of the Technical
Summary of Working Group 1 on the Scientific Basis of Climate Change.
The Technical Summary has not been released yet as it is being
rewritten TO CONFORM TO THE SUMMARY FOR POLICYMAKERS. I'm not making
that up, the science will be rewritten to conform to the political
document before being released in May.

Fortunately, the final draft of the Technical Summary was leaked by
some of the participants who were upset by the politicization of the
study. It is available at www.junkscience.com among other places.

Read it and you will see the Summary for Policymakers (SPM) does not
reflect the Technical Summary (TS) in many places, particularly sea
level rise. The worst case sea level rise by 2100 in the TS is 17
inches, not 23 inches as in the SPM, much less the 20 to 200 ft thrown
around by Gore and the Associated Press.

The TS states that without melting the Greenland Ice Sheet and the
Antarctic Ice Sheets, the forever maximum rise is about a meter. The
SPM does not mention that limit and hints that the Greenland and
Antarctic Ice Sheets could melt though the TS flatly rejects that
possibility.

Many of the scientists in working group one resigned over the
politicization of the study, but the IPCC is still listing them as
authors. You can see them interviewed in the BBC Channel 4
documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" which is available in
Google Videos and YouTube.

In short, what you seem to think scientists agree on is very different
from what they actually believe. You have to go past the popular media
and political statements from the UN and activists to learn what is
real and what is hype.

Don


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"R" for partial nudity and graphic violence.
  #45  
Old April 8th 07, 02:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dave Doe
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In article ,
says...
Gene Seibel writes:

That's what it is - a proposal. I figured that global warming was
natural, but after a discussion on another group I did some research
and now doubt it's even occurring at all. Satellite and balloon
readings show no warming. Only surface measurements, and they are very
susceptible to errors. For instance cities growing and encroaching on
once rural measuring stations. A tenth of a degree increase and alarm
bells go off.


Of all the data we have, that which appears to show a warming trend is the
most reliable and plentiful. It is true that we cannot prove that a definite
trend is in progress, nor can we know whether it will continue. But the
observation of a warming trend is far more reliable than the rampant
speculation on the possible causes of that warming. The notion that burning
fossil fuels is somehow causing global warming is pure speculation.

I think the real factors at work here are a human tendency to egotistically
believe that people can have any real influence on the planet, and a human
tendency to extreme and hysterical behavior.


The IPCC doesn't help matters.

This is a very interesting video - haven't seen it debunked yet (other
than debunking of the solar flare correlation - but the guts of it has
not)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

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  #46  
Old April 8th 07, 02:33 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Judah wrote:


Maybe it's not "Global Warming". Maybe it's just "Southwest Warming".


Well, seems you missed the sarcasm.
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Old April 8th 07, 03:59 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Don Tabor" wrote:

Many of the scientists in working group one resigned over the
politicization of the study, but the IPCC is still listing them as
authors. You can see them interviewed in the BBC Channel 4
documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle"


"The Great Global Warming Swindle" is known load of bs which some of those
same scientists have called "pure propaganda," complaining that their comments
were taken out of context and deliberately distorted. The producer, Martin
Durkin, has been caught pulling this trick before, and the tabloid UK Channel
4 (not BBC, which would have nothing to do with this bozo) has had to
apologize for the other program of his that it aired.

http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0...aganda_the.php

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  #48  
Old April 8th 07, 12:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Don Tabor
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:59:30 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

"The Great Global Warming Swindle" is known load of bs which some of those
same scientists have called "pure propaganda," complaining that their comments
were taken out of context and deliberately distorted. T


I would not claim TGGWS is totally unbiased, but keep in mind I
suggested it as a balance to Gore's film. However, the MediaLens
refutation is the real load of BS. They concentrate on one scientist
who said he was misled on the films purpose, but even he does not say
that what he said on the film was inaccurate. Then they dismiss about
half a dozen other scientists who would not refute their parts in the
film in a single sentence claiming they are all influenced by right
wing think tanks. Guilt by association. One even is an NRA member,
horrors.

Read the About Us tab for MediaLens and you will see they are exactly
the anti-capitalist environmental nut cases who are pushing the whole
man caused global warming as end of the world foolishness.

Again, go to the IPCC working group one Technical Summary and read it.
TGGWS is a lot closer to the science than Inconvenient Truth is.

Don



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"R" for partial nudity and graphic violence.
  #49  
Old April 8th 07, 01:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan Luke
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"Don Tabor" wrote:

I would not claim TGGWS is totally unbiased,


LOL

but keep in mind I suggested it as a balance to Gore's film.


So in your mind, two piles of bull**** add up to one pile of truth?

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Dan
C172RG at BFM


  #50  
Old April 8th 07, 01:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Stealth Pilot[_2_]
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:32:05 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

RomeoMike writes:

People with credentials are not always correct, but in my experience
they are correct more often than people without. Often people without
credentials focus on some small part of a problem, unaware of the full
scope.


Often people with credentials adopt an opinion without a solid basis and then
attempt to impose it upon others by constantly referring to their credentials.
Their sycophants and others who agree with them will also attempt to impose
the opinion based on credentials.

Personally, I have no idea if this is a valid point. I'm not an expert
either.


I don't think it's a relevant point. The temperature drops with altitude up
to a certain point, then rises again, reaching several thousand degrees at
some altitudes. However, I don't see how this correlates at all with global
warming.


well if there is warming it is only surface warming not global
warming.
has the earth's weather ever been stable?
 




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