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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:33:47 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote: "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. They don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their lives. Partly right, I'd say. What they hate is that someone can afford an airplane for a toy, just like the environazis hate those who can have an SUV for a toy. I'm hoping that possibly you are all aware of some aspects of this case that I haven't been exposed to. The "story" I heard was that there was a local "box" being used for aerobatics practice, and the neighbors were sick of listening to it. If this is true, I'm somewhat sympathetic. I would be interested in knowing the chronological order of the houses/owners and the establishment/usage of the box in question. I useta live about 1/4 of a mile away from an official "box", that was primarily used by one waiver'ed pilot in a 180 hp Great Lakes. Bear in mind that I've spent the last 20+ years listening to airplanes taking off and landing 8-10 hours a day. In the summertime, with the windows open, it was LOUD. Unless you've been there, I'm afraid that most of you have no idea how annoying it is. The aerobatics (at least the ones I was exposed to) consisted of periodic repeated exposure to sounds comparable to a StationAir on floats at gross weight taking off at WFO, again, and again, and again. When I got truly sick of it, I was fortunate enuff to be able to call over to the airport (12 miles away) and tell them to get ahold of the Chief Pilot (the waiver'ed pilot) of my Pt 135 employer on the radio and remind him that ****ing off his Director of Maintenance (yours truly) on a Saturday afternoon/evening was not in his best interests. What typically followed was an alleged low pass over my roof, and a little peace and quiet. TC |
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The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They
just don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. That's a pretty far stretch. They don't like the effects that the existence of other people have on their lives. I would imagine that depends on what those effects are. When people live close enough to affect each other there are frequently compromises to be made if everyone is to be reasonably happy. Partly right, I'd say. What they hate is that someone can afford an airplane for a toy, just like the environazis hate those who can have an SUV for a toy. In speaking to people who really dislike GA planes (even in the BED area) I have never found this to be the case. Where do you get this from? And leave the SUV issue out of this. Your statement is screwy anyhow; are you implying that because someone can't afford a SUV that they hide this by claiming the SUVs are bad for the environment? |
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message et... The problem that these people have is not really with airplanes. They just don't like other people. They don't like the evidence of other people. That's a pretty far stretch. Not really. http://tinyurl.com/3gveu Envy: A Theory of Social Behavior, by Helmut Schoeck |
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Roger Halstead wrote: If the AOPA is serious they really need to come up with a good countersuit that would cost those filing the original lawsuit far more than what they are aksing. The problem there is that they have formed an organization, and it is the org that is sueing these pilots. You don't have grounds for a countersuit unless this one is settled in favor of the pilots. After that occurs, they'll disolve the organization, and you won't have anyone to sue. Furthermore, AOPA has not been injured by this suit, so they will not be able to file a countersuit (though they could certainly support the pilots financially if they decide to do so). George Patterson Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would not yield to the tongue. |
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Furthermore, AOPA has not been injured by this suit, so they will not be able to file a countersuit (though they could certainly support the pilots financially if they decide to do so). According to AOPA Pilot, they have indeed made "a substantial contribution" to defense costs. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (requires authentication) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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Cub Driver wrote:
Furthermore, AOPA has not been injured by this suit, so they will not be able to file a countersuit (though they could certainly support the pilots financially if they decide to do so). According to AOPA Pilot, they have indeed made "a substantial contribution" to defense costs. Yet the pilots still had to sell their aircraft? - Andrew |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:19:03 -0500, Andrew Gideon
wrote: Cub Driver wrote: Furthermore, AOPA has not been injured by this suit, so they will not be able to file a countersuit (though they could certainly support the pilots financially if they decide to do so). According to AOPA Pilot, they have indeed made "a substantial contribution" to defense costs. Yet the pilots still had to sell their aircraft? They don't have the benefit of their lawyers doing everything for free. |
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... Doesn't explain the cases (just about every one) where they built homes near airports that already existed. Here's another example of this exact senerio; A big-time builder has purhased a large hunk of land in the 500 year flood plain. Dug out small lakes and ponds to make other areas a few inches higher than this high water mark. Now wants to develop a "New Town" concept- houses, apartments, condos, retail, etc. Local city is so busy rubbing their greedy little hands together, already counting the anticipated taxes that there seems to be NOTHING this builder wants that he can't have. The CITY-OWNED municipal airport is just across the street and down the road about a quarter mile. Traffic pattern is now over this formerly agricultural field. This airport has been here since before WWII, and has a flight school that has operated continuously, with the same ownership for almost 25 years. Now they haven't built even ONE house yet- just a glorified sales office. I called their office and asked the sales person about the "little airport" that was nearby. He informed me that I shouldn't be concerned, they are pretty sure they can get it closed in a year or two. It just wasn't as important to the city as HIS grand, new development! Maybe he'll have a "plumbing fire" or some other unpleasantry soon. Or... maybe the Mississippi and Missouri will decide to join again like they did in '93. The development may be above the 500 year mark, but the roads around it sure aren't. In '93 they flew all the planes out of this "little airport", sandbagged around the airport buildings and waited. Wonder how well that'll work with a bunch of people who are stuck either inside their houses, or stuck a mile away from the entrance to their pretty little "New Town"? Wanna bet how long it takes before there's complaints about those "little planes" flying over my new house? Gary Kasten |
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According to AOPA Pilot, they have indeed made "a substantial contribution" to defense costs. Yet the pilots still had to sell their aircraft? Evidently so. I rather doubt that AOPA;'s contribution was large enough for them to want to buy back the airplanes. I don't know if Boston lawyers bill $400 an hour, but I am sure they earn more an hour than I do in a day. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (requires authentication) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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