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Dave:
Saboted flechettes would be much, much less accurate and precise than a ..50 BMG round. CEPs in sniper variants of 10" out to 1000 meters do-able (but certainly not from a UAV!) for the .50; notch that up at least one order of magnitude (yes, 100") for a saboted flechette. Steve Swartz "Dav1936531" wrote in message ... From: Steve Hix NVALID Jim Yanik wrote: If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis. Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al Sadr's mob. I think he meant "everyone (in the direct vicinity of the weapon carrying jihadis) there is supporting the jihadis". And while that is probably true, reports from the Fallujah siege indicate that the gun toting trouble makers tend to hide behind women and children. The Marine snipers reportedly were extremely valuable in that fight, due to their precision in avoiding civilian casualties. In such circumstances, a 250 lb. might be a PR disaster. Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort of a sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the required level of precision hitting the target would probably be unattainable.......at least with a .50 BMG round. Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the trick. Dave |
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Steve Hix wrote in
: In article , Jim Yanik wrote: If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis. Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al Sadr's mob. Then they should be turning them in to the authorities,or fleeing the area. I doubt that in one of those rallies,that ANTI-jihadis are mixed in the crowd.Heck,you can see them all waving their arms,and waving flags,banners,etc.That's not anti-jihadi behavior. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik
wrote: Steve Hix wrote in : In article , Jim Yanik wrote: If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis. Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al Sadr's mob. Then they should be turning them in to the authorities,or fleeing the area. I doubt that in one of those rallies,that ANTI-jihadis are mixed in the crowd.Heck,you can see them all waving their arms,and waving flags,banners,etc.That's not anti-jihadi behavior. Look at it logically - you're on the way to the shops to buy a hun of cheese, take a wrong turn, and find yourself caught in the middle of a mob who you don't support - do you a. Chant and shout along until you can get the hell away (my personal choice) b. Jeer and taunt them, and end up dead in under a minute with a 9mm headache c. Go and report them to the authorities - who happen to be the Americans who have been killing a lot of innocent Iraqis along with the guilty, and who are being watched by those same nutters yuo're against - oops 9mm headache again Tough choice huh? Peter Kemp |
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Peter Kemp wrote in
: On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik wrote: Steve Hix wrote in : In article , Jim Yanik wrote: If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis. Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al Sadr's mob. Then they should be turning them in to the authorities,or fleeing the area. I doubt that in one of those rallies,that ANTI-jihadis are mixed in the crowd.Heck,you can see them all waving their arms,and waving flags,banners,etc.That's not anti-jihadi behavior. Look at it logically - you're on the way to the shops to buy a hun of cheese, take a wrong turn, and find yourself caught in the middle of a mob who you don't support - do you a. Chant and shout along until you can get the hell away (my personal choice) Why can't you just turn around and leave,WITHOUT cheering and shouting,or antagonizing them? That's what I'd do,then I'd get on a phone and call in what I knew. Unless you call while they're right next to you,they aren't going to know what you're discussing on the phone. I believe the phones still work there. -- Jim Yanik jyanik-at-kua.net |
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In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote: Steve Hix wrote in : In article , Jim Yanik wrote: If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis. Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al Sadr's mob. Then they should be turning them in to the authorities,or fleeing the area. "The authorities" don't happen to be in the neighborhood, although they're moving that way. It might be that some people are getting fed up with just standing back and letting the nutcases do whatever they want. Other factions, such as al Sistani's crowd seem to have lost patience with al Sadr and his pals, too. I doubt that in one of those rallies,that ANTI-jihadis are mixed in the crowd. Being largely within one neighborhood or other, bombing the crowd seems more than a little stupid, what with likely damage to persons and property. A bit more finesse seems called for, don't ya think? Heck,you can see them all waving their arms,and waving flags,banners,etc.That's not anti-jihadi behavior. |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote Why can't you just turn around and leave,WITHOUT cheering and shouting,or antagonizing them? I had this happen in Madrid one night. Walking around at about 2AM, a little bit toasty, came upon a big crowd of people. Lots of cheering, and raised fists... Being nosy, we worked our way near the front. "Ummm...Bill...This is a Communist rally. Let's ease our asses out of here. Quietly" Pete |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 05:58:15 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote: snip I do know, however, that the Air Force has specifically requested that the AC-130 gunship replacement (AC-X; whatever that may be), be equipped with directed energy weapons. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...craft/ac-x.htm Quote - 'Special operators want the new gunship, or AC-X, to be much smaller than a C-130, with fewer crew members. They want it to be stealthy, with the speed and maneuverability of a long-range jet fighter. They want it equipped with directed energy weapons and non-lethal technologies, and it should be able to engage targets from any angle-above and below, front and back. ' So in effect they want the ultimate combat plane Faster than a F22, with greater range, more maneuverable, Small as well, with more automation, with the ability to annihilate or stun anything in sight in any direction. At just 2 billion US$ a copy it's a steal. To me it looks like the Special forces want to take over the entire US air force, or have speed machine envy, or are setting a very high bargaining position. |
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"Nina" wrote in message ... On 16 May 2004 02:29:41 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote: Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort of a sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the required level of precision hitting the target would probably be unattainable.......at least with a .50 BMG round. Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the trick. How about a medium powered sniper IR laser? (I'm not talking starwars here) - but enough to blind/maim the intended target(s) - no need to worry about windage, just point & click. It'd keep collateral casualties to a minumum too... Blinding weapons are considered to be banned by the rules of war. |
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What are the economics of this? How much does such a rig cost, as against the cost of offering paradise to the next jihadist? I'm not sure what you mean - what has the next jihadist got to do with it? Well, if we spend $100,000,000 on an aerial sniper rifle, and Osama gets his snipers for free, how long can we keep it up? all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org |
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