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Old December 14th 07, 07:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.skydiving
Mxsmanic
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Mark Hickey writes:

It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have
tremendous motivation to get it right the first time.


Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the individual.

When thinking
through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people
in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked through
by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone connecting
them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's just up to
those experts on the ground to talk each of them through about 1/4 of
the process of getting the plane on the ground in one piece (as
opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers).


That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as long as
the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial, and move a lever,
he can land the plane--provided also that he can follow simple instructions on
the radio.
  #92  
Old December 14th 07, 07:30 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.skydiving
Darrel Toepfer
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Mxsmanic wrote:

No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's
certainly doable.


http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339
http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377
http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110
http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085


















I kneaux, I really shouldn't have...
  #93  
Old December 14th 07, 07:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt, rec.aviation.piloting
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On Dec 14, 2:27 pm, Jose wrote:

Why? It will never take off.


Must resist biting troll hook....
  #94  
Old December 14th 07, 07:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.skydiving
Darrel Toepfer
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Mark Hickey writes:

It's important to remember that the would-be pilot/savior would have
tremendous motivation to get it right the first time.


Yes. That could help or hurt, depending on the personality of the
individual.

When thinking
through that scenario, I always pictured having three or four people
in the cockpit - each with a limited job that they'd be walked
through by an expert on the radio... maybe each with a cell phone
connecting them to individual team members on the ground. Then it's
just up to those experts on the ground to talk each of them through
about 1/4 of the process of getting the plane on the ground in one
piece (as opposed to making a flawless landing on the numbers).


That seems unnecessarily complicated. Especially with automation, as
long as the person in the left seat can push a button, turn a dial,
and move a lever, he can land the plane--provided also that he can
follow simple instructions on the radio.


hehehe, he said "get it right the first time":
http://www.micom.net/oops/Airbus320_trees.mp4
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Old December 14th 07, 01:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.skydiving
Mxsmanic
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Darrel Toepfer writes:

hehehe, he said "get it right the first time":


It's not hard to get it right the first time. While most people can't fly
airplanes by hand without making mistakes, everyone has pushed buttons, turned
dials, and moved levers countless times in his life, and if he can also
understand and follow instructions, he can land a 747, which requires no more
than the manipulations just mentioned when the automation is used.

The incorrect assumption made by most people is that the non-pilot would be
trying to fly the aircraft by hand. That happens in Hollywood movies, but not
in reality. There would be absolutely no reason to fly the aircraft by hand,
and it would be dangerous without a qualified pilot in charge (and qualified
means on the aircraft in question, not just someone with a PPL).
  #96  
Old December 14th 07, 01:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.skydiving
Mxsmanic
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Darrel Toepfer writes:

Mxsmanic wrote:

No circumstances have ever required it in airliners, but it's
certainly doable.


http://imdb.com/title/tt0080339
http://imdb.com/title/tt0083530
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065377
http://imdb.com/title/tt0071110
http://imdb.com/title/tt0367085


These are works of fiction. Note also that they don't generally involve
non-pilots flying the aircraft.
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Old December 14th 07, 02:00 PM
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Suggest you take a look at this site.www.aeroexperiments.org/brainteasers.shtml
This site, while useful for those having difficulty with the concept of different frames of reference, is actually wrong. Downwind turns ARE different, though perhaps only for ultralights and other light aircraft in the real world.

Don't believe me? Try hang gliding. When you circle, you can usually feel which way the wind is blowing. When I first discovered this, it took me a while to figure out what was happening. I might have had difficulty believing if someone else had told me this, but I couldn't deny personal experience.

I'll see if anyone else knows, or can figure out, why this is true before I explain further...
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Old December 14th 07, 05:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Chris Wells" wrote in message
...

Suggest you take a look at this
site.www.aeroexperiments.org/brainteasers.shtml


This site, while useful for those having difficulty with the concept
of different frames of reference, is actually wrong. Downwind turns ARE
different, though perhaps only for ultralights and other light aircraft
in the real world.

Don't believe me? Try hang gliding. When you circle, you can usually
feel which way the wind is blowing. When I first discovered this, it
took me a while to figure out what was happening. I might have had
difficulty believing if someone else had told me this, but I couldn't
deny personal experience.

I'll see if anyone else knows, or can figure out, why this is true
before I explain further...




--
Chris Wells


It is your perception of travel across the ground that gives you that
feeling in a hang glider. Upwind you are practically stopped, and downwind
you are really moving. Never the less, you can still do turns without
changing attitude to adjust for any change in wind direction. Close your
eyes for a turn or two, and you'll never be able to tell the difference.

Al G


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Old December 14th 07, 05:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.skydiving
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"cavelamb himself" wrote

Who is this fool????


You've just been MXed!
--
Jim in NC


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Old December 14th 07, 06:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt
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In article ,
Chris Wells wrote:

Suggest you take a look at this
site.www.aeroexperiments.org/brainteasers.shtml


This site, while useful for those having difficulty with the concept
of different frames of reference, is actually wrong. Downwind turns ARE
different, though perhaps only for ultralights and other light aircraft
in the real world.

Don't believe me? Try hang gliding. When you circle, you can usually
feel which way the wind is blowing. When I first discovered this, it
took me a while to figure out what was happening. I might have had
difficulty believing if someone else had told me this, but I couldn't
deny personal experience.


I'm sorry, but the only reason turns feel like that in a hang-glider is
proximity/reference to the ground.


I'll see if anyone else knows, or can figure out, why this is true
before I explain further...


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to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
 




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