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Old December 19th 07, 05:12 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Clark" wrote in message
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Well then, just how did those boats come to form that very nice corridor?
Hmmm? Might it have been a result of harbor police & CG handling the
situation through edict and enforcement? Maybe? There are obviously
enforcement personnel in the photos.


What very nice corridor?

How much space must be cleared? How much space has been cleared?


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Old December 19th 07, 05:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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It would be very difficult to put on any type of airshow without an
FAA waver. That's pretty much standard.


A waiver would explain why the area wasn't cleared.


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Old December 19th 07, 05:58 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"gatt" wrote:

"Gig601XLBuilder" wrote in message
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I see many boats in the photos. The area had not been cleared.


Yes it has.


I have a difficult time believing that, with the entire city of San
Francisco looking on and the water teeming with USCG and other vessels, that
the Blue Angels simply said "Aw, who cares if it's illegal? Do it anyway."
...with absolutely zero documented repercussion.

An accident under those circumstances would end the Angels. They do not
have a recorded history of behaving in such a way.


Indeed not. This is a show that I've watched for years, and that's done
with, well, military precision, over the city itself as well as over the
Bay. The consequences of getting anything more than trivially wrong when
doing low-level aerobatics over a very crowded city don't bear thinking
about....

Oh, and the noise is incredible -- I used to work near Fishermans Wharf,
and the rehearsals would always set off car alarms in the area around
us. You always know whan it's Fleet Week... Cool!

As for the images in question, I haven't a clue -- I'm typically on dry
land with only my bare eyes to watch with, and I don't remember them
doing that particular maneuver this year. But then I wouldn't have seen
it anyway from where I was.

Hamish
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Old December 19th 07, 06:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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It's a telephoto shot that kills the perspective of depth perception.. the
flight path is obviously in a cleared lane with at least "air show crowd
control" set backs on both sides of the lane. The police boats mentioned in
previous threads is marking the lane. This is a very controlled event. I've
flown similar events in my military career, no I am not Blue Angle Navy..

BT

"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote in message
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle581574.ece

Check out the second photo as well.

Would have been cool to see in person!



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Old December 19th 07, 06:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Viper.. I flew the Chicago Air and Water show a couple of years.. back in
the early 90s..
Those out with the boat races complained that they could not hear their
boats when we did our routine.
Enjoy..
BT (Ret USAF, B-1)

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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I was involved peripherally in an airshow with the Thunderbirds, and have
been in displays at many others in the back scenes, hanging around in the
ops buildings, etc. There is a mountain of paperwork that is required for
the demo teams, and the FAA is always closely involved. There is always a
safety zone on either the ground or water, and typically a police or Coast
Guard boat ends up being show center in the water. (actually I got an
invite to sit in the show center boat for the Chicago Air and Water show
this year- I can hardly wait!)




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Old December 19th 07, 06:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Trust... it was cleared.. there is a "air show lane".. you just don't want
to see it.

BT

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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It would be very difficult to put on any type of airshow without an
FAA waver. That's pretty much standard.


A waiver would explain why the area wasn't cleared.



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Old December 19th 07, 03:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven P. McNicoll View Post

What very nice corridor?
The one only a complete idiot (or a troll) could miss.
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Old December 19th 07, 06:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert M. Gary
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On Dec 18, 9:32 pm, "BT" wrote:
It's a telephoto shot that kills the perspective of depth perception.. the
flight path is obviously in a cleared lane with at least "air show crowd
control" set backs on both sides of the lane. The police boats mentioned in
previous threads is marking the lane. This is a very controlled event. I've
flown similar events in my military career, no I am not Blue Angle Navy..


My father was asked to apply to the Blue Angels in the early 80's. At
the time he thought he could make CO faster if he stayed in a tactical
squadron. He was right, he made XO then CO soon afterwards. Not sure
what would have happened had he taken time out to fly with the Blue
Angels.

-robert
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Old December 19th 07, 07:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Clark wrote in
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Really now Mister McNicoll, do you have some cognitive disability
of which folks should be aware or are just being obtuse?


I vote for obtuse.

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Old December 19th 07, 07:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert M. Gary
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On Dec 18, 9:04 am, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle581574.ece

Check out the second photo as well.

Would have been cool to see in person!


BTW: Its worth point out that the UK Sun is not a real newspaper its a
tablod. There is a reason no real news station picked this up. Also, I
believe the Hornet is actually behind the passenger ship in the first
slide, not in front of it. The Hornet (especially the Super Hornet) is
a big bird and therefor appears close than it is.

-robert
 




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