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#11
January 23rd 04, 01:44 PM
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"Barry" wrote in message ...
what's the shortest runway you've encountered with an ILS? Runway 6 at Shirley, NY (Brookhaven, HWV), is 4200 ft. Huh... for some reason that one actually seemed longer to me. But then i went from 3200 ft with a 1000' displaced threshhold in NC to Brookhaven, so I guess it would seem longer. HWV was actually the last place my ILS receiver worked. sue*** 
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#12
January 23rd 04, 02:12 PM
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Nathan Young writes:
Isn't there a minimum runway length to have an ILS, like 4000ft? There might be a minimum but it doesn't appear to be 4000 feet. VVS, 05, 3458, 100, ASPH-F HIE, 10, 3495, 75, ASPH-G PVC, 07, 3500, 100, ASPH-G FCM, 10R, 3909, 75, ASPH-G BTP, 08, 3998, 100, ASPH-F Pavement doesn't seem to be a requirement either. PBV, 11, 5000, 150, GRAVEL-G UBW, 05, 6000, 130, GRAVEL-G KSM, 16, 6003, 150, GRAVEL-G UNK, 14, 6004, 150, GRAVEL-G --kyler
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January 23rd 04, 02:12 PM
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#14
January 23rd 04, 03:12 PM
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Kyler Laird writes:
Nathan Young writes: Isn't there a minimum runway length to have an ILS, like 4000ft? There might be a minimum but it doesn't appear to be 4000 feet. VVS, 05, 3458, 100, ASPH-F HIE, 10, 3495, 75, ASPH-G PVC, 07, 3500, 100, ASPH-G FCM, 10R, 3909, 75, ASPH-G BTP, 08, 3998, 100, ASPH-F Oh! I'm sorry for being incomplete there. I forgot to mention that I was looking at runways with full ILS or just localizers. The FAA groups everything under "ILS" http://aviationtoolbox.org/old/ATA-1...ats/Apt_rf.txt L AN 0010 00072 I22 INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM (ILS) TYPE ILS - INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM MLS - MICROWAVE LANDING SYSTEM SDF - SIMPLIFIED DIRECTIONAL FACILITY LOCALIZER - LOCALIZER LDA - LOCALIZER-TYPE DIRECTIONAL AID ISMLS - INTERIM STANDARD MICROWAVE LANDING SYSTEM ILS/DME - INSTRUMENT LANDING SYSTEM/ DISTANCE MEASURING EQUIPMENT SDF/DME - SIMPLIFIED DIRECTIONAL FACILITY DISTANCE MEASURING EQUIPMENT LOC/DME - LOCALIZER/ DISTANCE MEASURING EQUIPMENT LOC/GS - LOCALIZER/GLIDE SLOPE LDA/DME - LOCALIZER-TYPE DIRECTIONAL AID DISTANCE MEASURING EQUIPMENT and I was examining anything with "ILS" or "LOC" in the type. Here's a better list. SXL, 04, 3015, 50, ASPH-F, SDF VVS, 05, 3458, 100, ASPH-F, LOCALIZER HIE, 10, 3495, 75, ASPH-G, LOCALIZER PVC, 07, 3500, 100, ASPH-G, ILS/DME DUT, 12, 3900, 100, ASPH-G, MLS FCM, 10R, 3909, 75, ASPH-G, ILS BTP, 08, 3998, 100, ASPH-F, ILS Hmmm...looks like I should have just gone straight to the ILS file instead of looking at airport/runway info. http://aviationtoolbox.org/old/ATA-1...ats/Ils_rf.txt --kyler
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#15
January 23rd 04, 04:43 PM
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:12:02 GMT, Kyler Laird
wrote: Nathan Young writes: Isn't there a minimum runway length to have an ILS, like 4000ft? There might be a minimum but it doesn't appear to be 4000 feet. VVS, 05, 3458, 100, ASPH-F HIE, 10, 3495, 75, ASPH-G PVC, 07, 3500, 100, ASPH-G FCM, 10R, 3909, 75, ASPH-G BTP, 08, 3998, 100, ASPH-F Pavement doesn't seem to be a requirement either. PBV, 11, 5000, 150, GRAVEL-G UBW, 05, 6000, 130, GRAVEL-G KSM, 16, 6003, 150, GRAVEL-G UNK, 14, 6004, 150, GRAVEL-G Wild. Hard to believe you can shoot an ILS to Gravel, of course each of those runways mentioned are in Alaska... -Nathan
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#16
January 23rd 04, 05:20 PM
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#17
January 23rd 04, 08:29 PM
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"Kyler Laird" wrote in message
... writes: Ah ha! I hadn't even caught that one. The airport data file puts all information for a runway (both ends) in one line and I had neglected to look at the reciprocol end data. That makes the under 4000' list look like this. UUU, 22, 2999, 75, ASPH-G, LOC/DME, 0, 2999 PVC, 07, 3500, 100, ASPH-G, ILS/DME, 0, 3500 .... Wanna go international? The shortest with a LOC is HONNINGSVAG VALAN in Norway at 2625 ft. It looks fun, with an MDH of 1240 ft and a hill above that level at 2 miles on the extended centreline. The hill has a tower on to make it more fun. The shortest with an ILS was Schwaebisch Hall at 3018 ft, but I can't find the approach, so the official winner Mannheim City scrapes in at 3497 ft. Julian Scarfe
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#18
January 25th 04, 01:42 AM
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"Julian Scarfe" writes:
Wanna go international? The shortest with a LOC is HONNINGSVAG VALAN in Norway at 2625 ft. It looks fun, with an MDH of 1240 ft and a hill above that level at 2 miles on the extended centreline. The hill has a tower on to make it more fun. It would seem that you could never have a full ILS on such a short runway. With the runway/GS intercept a common 1000' down the runway, there ain't much length left to whoa! The shortest with an ILS was Schwaebisch Hall at 3018 ft, but I can't find the approach, so the official winner Mannheim City scrapes in at 3497 ft.
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#19
January 27th 04, 12:39 AM
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"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message ...
"Kyler Laird" wrote in message ... writes: ? The shortest with a LOC is HONNINGSVAG VALAN in Norway at 2625 ft. It looks fun, with an MDH of 1240 ft and a hill above that level at 2 miles on the extended centreline. The hill has a tower on to make it more fun. I assume it has a circle to land? The AIM has a picture of using circling to reduce altitude. The shortest with an ILS was Schwaebisch Hall at 3018 ft, but I can't find the approach, so the official winner Mannheim City scrapes in at 3497 ft. Julian Scarfe
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#20
January 30th 04, 07:51 PM
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"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
... The shortest with a LOC is HONNINGSVAG VALAN in Norway at 2625 ft. It looks fun, with an MDH of 1240 ft and a hill above that level at 2 miles on the extended centreline. The hill has a tower on to make it more fun. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message om... I assume it has a circle to land? The AIM has a picture of using circling to reduce altitude. It does, though my description was ambiguous. The hill is on the centreline of the approach if you were to follow it 2 miles *beyond* the airport. The MAP is 2 miles before it. The LOC is actually for a 207 degree course while the runway is 08/26, so circling is required anyway, even without a 1240 ft descent required from 2 miles. Julian Scarfe
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