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Harry Andreas wrote:
Yah, but was it a V-tail Bonanza? Of course, though he was a reasonably debonair sort, for a guy from Toledo. That has the rep as the unforgiving GA ship, probably due to lack of training. Oh please -- other than a little perceived yaw problem which may or may not have been the fault of the forked tail -- it was and is just like any other clean airplane. Some airplanes are willing to ignore bad technique more than others -- just like some wives -- but none of them will ignore bad judgment. Jack |
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The medal was re-created in 1932
As a bit of trivia, Douglas MacArthur got the first one. The backside is engraved with a Number One. Mac also got the first Silver Star, which replaced the citation star representing a mention in dispatches. He was big on medals and reworked a lot of the old award system when he became Army CoS. Chris Mark |
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hey, what's wrong with my e-mail address it is a valid e-mail & I am the
owner of the domain that I use when I post on UseNet and a few other places ware spam originates and I can filter it. "Cub Driver" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:45:07 -0700, "NW_PILOT" wrote: If there is an election this year I will be very surprised. Oh yes, I forgot. The black helicopters will swoop in and take over Washington. Is that before or after the draft is reinstated? Control K! (I find, interestingly enough, that kill-filing these people almost always results in 1 message being deleted. Evidently they are fakes. Take a look at steven's email address, for example.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org |
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"ian maclure" wrote in message news On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:07:11 +0000, WalterM140 wrote: This documet shows conclusively that Bush performed no service for 16 months: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif That document is a complete forgery!!! Hell, the forger didn't even know the proper format for military dates. -- If you really want to save the environment, support a family farmer. Brooks Gregory |
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Jack wrote:
Harry Andreas wrote: Yah, but was it a V-tail Bonanza? Of course, though he was a reasonably debonair sort, for a guy from Toledo. I suspect that one will go over (or under as the case may be) the heads of most here, this being a military aviation newsgroup. Too bad. I used to go flying with a buddy in a '61? Model 33 that his club owned, and he loved it, but compared to a 150/172 who wouldn't? My personal favorite for transportation and sightseeing was another club's Cardinal RG -- you had a great view downwards with no struts or wheels in the way, AND you could see traffic above/in the turn direction because of the highly sloped windscreen/aft-mounted wing. Possibly my opinion may be biased - AFAIR I could never pry his hands off the Beech's controls so I could fly it, while I was usually able to get some stick time in the RG;-) The Cardinal's great view seemed rather important after one of my buddy's fellow club members (a CFI) and her student had a head-on mid-air in a 172 as they climbed out of Oakland, with an inbound Cherokee Six descending to enter the pattern -- they were presumably in each other's blind spot. It may be that the Cardinal's better forward and upward view would have been irrelevant in that particular case (if the Cessna was still climbing steeply), but there was no doubt whatsoever how much easier it was in the Cardinal to look for traffic you might be turning towards while in the pattern. Guy |
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But Viet
Nam was another matter entirely. There were more quetions than answers. More doubts that convictions and many doubted the war in every sense. Kerry did. His guilt was something he had to taken action aginst. And while I would never throw my medals away as he did, I can understand him but not agree with him. And when it comes to the deaths of innocents I can understand his feelings in the matter just as I can understand yours. But you and I and Kerry know all too well what the elephant looks like. And we are just a small breed apart vis-a-vis those who have never seen the beast. Arthur Kramer Art, I understand all that too as you would expect. On the other hand, that sort of behavior as his and especially his association with Jane Fonda cost lives by encouraging the enemy. My ass was on the line literally while she was being photographed sitting in the chair of a 37 or 57mm AAA gun and I only wished one of our bombs had reached her. There are far better ways to express one's opposition to a war than to rub **** in the faces of the guys who had to face those guns on a daily basis. I am absolutely certain you would react the same way had an American done likewise on a German AAA peice in the ETO. So I have some very serious misgivings about John Kerry, his judgement, and his true reasons for his wartime and post wartime behavior. I've no doubt that his behavior encouraged the enemy just as Fonda's did. Then to seemingly discard his medals as he did regardless of whether he earned them, only to later display them proudly and allow others to play off his herosim, devotion to duty and loyalty to his men is totally unconscionable to me. Regardless of whether GWB was AWOL or not, at least none of his actions discredited the nation and its warriors. But then we elected Clintion so I guess duty, honor and country only matter to a few of us. Steve Just as in Iraq the beheadings draw far more publicity because they are plastered all over the front page of the world's newspapers. |
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Ed Rasimus wrote in message . ..
... That while Japan did attack us, the Germans did no such thing and we were dragged into the conflict for no good reason. In WWII Germany declared war on the US befor the US reciprocated. Germany attacked US shipping befor we fired a shot at them. Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them within the context of historical reality. -- FF |
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Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (Fred the Red Shirt) The more missions you fly, the more times you get wounded the slimmer the chances of survival are. But you know that, don't you? Arthur Kramer Guess it is all a matter of how committed you are and how important you think the job is you have been assigned to do It has nothing to do with any of that. The more missions you fly the worse the odds of survival. How commited you are is irrelevant. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
snip Many other argumetns can be made but please, let's make them within the context of historical reality. Get a clue! Ed was making a fictitious example. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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