They call it the impossible turn.

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terry writes:

Can you tell that an area in front of you is truly flat smooth and
safe from 500 feet altitude?

You can get a pretty good idea, and if it's reasonably close to flat and
smooth, it's still a better choice than trying to turn around.

If you can, can you also explain why
real pilots are taught to do precautionary search and landing passes
at 100 feet, if they need to make an emergency landing but still have
the power/time to do so?

If they don't have the power to turn around, they definitely don't have the
power to make any precautionary passes at 100 feet.

There you go again - just NOT LISTENING. Read what he said (he's
probably talking about a situation with poor visibility (but it could be
any other dire situation) that a pilot deems it's time to set down.
Nothing wrong with the plane!).

--
Duncan.

Dave Doe writes:

Why? You don't *listen* to anyone 'round here!

I listen, but I'm not a sycophant.

terry writes:

How good an idea?

Good enough to justify continuing forwards.

How well does MS Flight simulator simulate what
ground detail a pilot would see from 500 feet looking over the nose of
the aircraft?

It depends on the graphic settings and the scenery used. In some cases it
simulates just about every rock and bush, in other cases it's just a vague
group of hills.

We know you have never flown an aircraft, but have you
ever even been a passenger in the front seat of an aircraft and
experienced the view from 500 feet?

Not in person, but I've seen videos.

And how long do you think you would have from 500 feet with no
power to make a judgement of whether that peice of seemingly
flat smooth safe land is really that?

Not very long, depending on a number of factors. If you don't have time to
figure it out, you point at whatever looks safest. You still don't turn,
unless you are certain that whatever is ahead will kill you.

... and what would you do when you get to 400 feet and suddenly
discover there is a power line slap bang across the approach
path or a bunch of kids playing chase? you have no idea.

Virtually no one does. People in situations like that don't usually live to
talk about it.

Dave Doe writes:

There you go again - just NOT LISTENING. Read what he said (he's
probably talking about a situation with poor visibility (but it could be
any other dire situation) that a pilot deems it's time to set down.
Nothing wrong with the plane!).

Then it is also unrelated to the impossible turn.

In article ,
says...

Dave Doe writes:

Why? You don't *listen* to anyone 'round here!

I listen, but I'm not a sycophant.

I think that's fairly obvious!

--
Duncan.

On Feb 13, 9:19*am, terry wrote:
On Feb 13, 6:44*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

george writes:
Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?

Obviously it has meaning to me, or I would not discuss it. It's important to
be prepared for any eventuality when flying.

So do you wear a parachute when you are playing simulators? or do you
have a ballistic one attached to your PC?

:-)

In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Yeah to a real pilot in a real airplane, but not to a simmer.

Simmers generally have the same priorities. That's what simulation is all
about.

Delusional.

You've already said you avoid things like VFR traffic and NORDO aircraft,
which are very common in real flying ...

Not over LAX. I like to fly in Class A, B, C, or D airspace, and NORDO
aircraft are scarce there for obvious reasons. I do fly in other airspaces,
but often at such out-of-the-way airports that there's nobody else around.

If you are less than 10,000 feet, LAX is surrounded by places with lots
of VFR and NORDO traffic in the real world.

The "out-of-the-way airports" are where, in the real world, you are most
likely to find NORDO traffic.

... so why the obsession with simulating
the dreaded "impossible turn", which is very rare by comparison in real
flying?

I don't simulate this turn. I rarely practice engine-out procedures, and even
if I did, the impossible turn is such a stellar example of poor judgment that
I'd not likely be tempted to try it.

So why do you seem so obsesed with it?


--
Jim Pennino

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"terry" wrote

you have no idea.

Of course he doesn't. But you know that, as does everyone responding to his
posts.

Why bother? He will not learn. He will not admit he is wrong. Anyone
reading this tread already knows he is an idiot, and will not try anything
or believe anything he has said.

Simply put, there is nothing left to be said.

Gang, let's end it with this dope, before more good people see what nut
cases are here, and never come back.
--
Jim in NC

writes:

The "out-of-the-way airports" are where, in the real world, you are most
likely to find NORDO traffic.

That depends on the airport. Many tiny airports have only a handful of
operations a day.

On Feb 13, 8:50*am, terry wrote:
On Feb 13, 6:40*am, george wrote:

On Feb 13, 4:58*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

If the area in front of the airplane is truly flat, smooth, and safe, so much
so that there's no harm in landing on it, I wonder how many pilots would still
be tempted to turn around. If you know you can land ahead off the runway with
no damage to the airplane, is there still any reason to turn around?

Why are you obsessed with a part of flight that has no meaning to you?
Just hit Control ALT Delete and walk away.
Leave the real stuff to real pilots.
The good and even great advice that has been handed out in here you
have ignored or turned into a game of semantics.
Go forth and multipy !

Do you really want to encourage him to multiply ?( not that there
would be a snowballs chance in hell of that happening- that would
require him having sex with a human being and you cant do that over a
computer)
Why is he obsessed with something that has no meaning to him.? *Do a
google on Aspergers Syndrome.

My comment "go forth and multiply" is a nice way to tell him to get
F----. !