PC flight simulators

"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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If you were flying close formation you could barely hear the howl
right around 89%. We used it on cross-countrys to let people know we
were in town. We'd make a VFR letdown in close formation circling over
town while Lead jockeyed his throttle around that magic 89%. Quite a
few times I've walked away from my bird and there was a car waiting
for me. On the ground it'd howl around 69% - handy to let your crew
chief know you were back early. It was due to the interaction between
the secondary and primary airflow in the nozzle. The J79-19 engine did
not howl, alas, but it made up for that in performance. The Dash-19
also gave a definite sideways motion to the fuselage when acclerated
off idle - kind of like gunning a good hot rod back in the old days in
SoCal.
PACATD - They are being used to good effect in the Part 141 school
(AIMS Community College, Greeley, Colorado) that I taught in and
retired from in 1995. AIMS still works very closely with our local
FADO. The school also uses two AST 300 digital twin trainers - they
are excellent for instrument training. I might add the final sim check
in the professional pilot program is an exact duplication of an ATP
check and the students pass it at about 220 total hours. Also, they
fly the check in two parts, once as copilot and once as PIC. This is
to evaluate CRM. The school has airline check captains give a good
portion of these checks as a quality control monitoring method, too.
FWIW I started that program at AIMS in 1987 as an Eastern rep, then
when EAL got sick I retired from them in 89 and stayed here in
Colorado rather than go back to Miami..
Walt BJ

I guess this was for me :-) Thanks!
Dudley
"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Number of answers he
If you were flying close formation you could barely hear the howl
right around 89%. We used it on cross-countrys to let people know we
were in town. We'd make a VFR letdown in close formation circling over
town while Lead jockeyed his throttle around that magic 89%. Quite a
few times I've walked away from my bird and there was a car waiting
for me. On the ground it'd howl around 69% - handy to let your crew
chief know you were back early. It was due to the interaction between
the secondary and primary airflow in the nozzle. The J79-19 engine did
not howl, alas, but it made up for that in performance. The Dash-19
also gave a definite sideways motion to the fuselage when acclerated
off idle - kind of like gunning a good hot rod back in the old days in
SoCal.
PACATD - They are being used to good effect in the Part 141 school
(AIMS Community College, Greeley, Colorado) that I taught in and
retired from in 1995. AIMS still works very closely with our local
FADO. The school also uses two AST 300 digital twin trainers - they
are excellent for instrument training. I might add the final sim check
in the professional pilot program is an exact duplication of an ATP
check and the students pass it at about 220 total hours. Also, they
fly the check in two parts, once as copilot and once as PIC. This is
to evaluate CRM. The school has airline check captains give a good
portion of these checks as a quality control monitoring method, too.
FWIW I started that program at AIMS in 1987 as an Eastern rep, then
when EAL got sick I retired from them in 89 and stayed here in
Colorado rather than go back to Miami..
Walt BJ

This is your best post of the night, Dud.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"WaltBJ" wrote in message
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Number of answers he
If you were flying close formation you could barely hear the howl
right around 89%. We used it on cross-countrys to let people know we
were in town. We'd make a VFR letdown in close formation circling over
town while Lead jockeyed his throttle around that magic 89%. Quite a
few times I've walked away from my bird and there was a car waiting
for me. On the ground it'd howl around 69% - handy to let your crew
chief know you were back early. It was due to the interaction between
the secondary and primary airflow in the nozzle. The J79-19 engine did
not howl, alas, but it made up for that in performance. The Dash-19
also gave a definite sideways motion to the fuselage when acclerated
off idle - kind of like gunning a good hot rod back in the old days in
SoCal.
PACATD - They are being used to good effect in the Part 141 school
(AIMS Community College, Greeley, Colorado) that I taught in and
retired from in 1995. AIMS still works very closely with our local
FADO. The school also uses two AST 300 digital twin trainers - they
are excellent for instrument training. I might add the final sim check
in the professional pilot program is an exact duplication of an ATP
check and the students pass it at about 220 total hours. Also, they
fly the check in two parts, once as copilot and once as PIC. This is
to evaluate CRM. The school has airline check captains give a good
portion of these checks as a quality control monitoring method, too.
FWIW I started that program at AIMS in 1987 as an Eastern rep, then
when EAL got sick I retired from them in 89 and stayed here in
Colorado rather than go back to Miami..
Walt BJ

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Gord Beaman" )
Date: 11/16/03 5:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
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(ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am
Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
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I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.
Arthur Kramer


Pretty inconsiderate Art...just because you don't play with them
why denigerate someone elses fun?

They do indeed simulate flight, so why do you make that stupid
statement?
--

-Gord.


I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for
computers.And
anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to
fly
your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse
it
with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown
Air
Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense.
Now
be a good guy and just go away.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Well Art, I fly military simulators on just about a daily basis, the Link
P3C OFT and the Thales AP3C AFS and use on a regular basis PC simulators,
apart from the fact that they can replicate aircraft systems with over 400
faults and have motion, I for the life of me, am having trouble
understanding what the major difference is between a home simulator and a
military simulator in terms of simulating the flight characteristics of an
aircraft.
I notice Art, that when I asked you if you had seen any of the current PC
flight simulators, you didn't comment, so I'm asking you again Art, have you
seen any of the current PC sims in use?

Scet

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Scet"
Date: 11/17/03 10:11 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Gord Beaman" )
Date: 11/16/03 5:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Bjørnar Bolsøy" am
Date: 11/16/03 3:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

They are not really simulators. They are just computer games.
Arthur Kramer


Pretty inconsiderate Art...just because you don't play with them
why denigerate someone elses fun?

They do indeed simulate flight, so why do you make that stupid
statement?
--

-Gord.


I flew real simulators. And I have flown the crap they make for
computers.And
anything that you can do on a computer isn't even close. If you want to
fly
your computer for fun ok,bur remember it is just a toy. but don't confuse
it
with real flying or flying a real simulator. I guess you have never flown
Air
Force simulators. If you had you wouldn't be talking such patent nonsense.
Now
be a good guy and just go away.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Well Art, I fly military simulators on just about a daily basis, the Link
P3C OFT and the Thales AP3C AFS and use on a regular basis PC simulators,
apart from the fact that they can replicate aircraft systems with over 400
faults and have motion, I for the life of me, am having trouble
understanding what the major difference is between a home simulator and a
military simulator in terms of simulating the flight characteristics of an
aircraft.
I notice Art, that when I asked you if you had seen any of the current PC
flight simulators, you didn't comment, so I'm asking you again Art, have you
seen any of the current PC sims in use?

Scet




Yeah. Flight Simulator. And it is just a computer game. I have only 1100
flying hours 250 of which are combat hours over Europe. Not a lot by any
standard. But comparing Flight Simulator with flying over the Ruhr Valley
compares only in someones wildest dreams, not in reality. But it goes over big
with toy lovers.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Aces High is the best online sim. WWII.
Many real pilots fly there.
It was also a real Lancaster pilot (Dresden) i dont know if he is still =
there.
15 dollars a month, but it worth it, even the double.
Stop to talk, come to fly and die
check 6


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:49:18 GMT, "Bj=F8rnar Bols=F8y" =

wrote:


I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

Try it, 15 days free
http://www.hitechcreations.com/htcindex.html

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 06:58:21 GMT, (John) wrote:

Aces High is the best online sim. WWII.
Many real pilots fly there.
It was also a real Lancaster pilot (Dresden) i dont know if he is still =
there.
15 dollars a month, but it worth it, even the double.
Stop to talk, come to fly and die
check 6


On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:49:18 GMT, "Bj=F8rnar Bols=F8y" =

wrote:


I was wondering if anyone in this NG play simulators?
If so, which one? What's the best out there, currently.


Regards...

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Tex Houston" 777
Date: 11/16/03 6:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
.. .
Get a room for chrissakes...
--

-Gord.

I've always been polite to you even with a disagreement. Why are you all of
a sudden getting ****y with Art Kramer and me?

Bewildered,

Tex




Bad manners and the delusion that sitting at a computer paying with games is
the same as really flying.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: PC flight simulators
From: "Jim Baker"
Date: 11/16/03 8:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

AND, I play with the Microsoft Flight Sim sometimes just for the hell of it.

Play is right That's what I said in the first place.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote in message ...

Bad manners and the delusion that sitting at a computer paying with games is
the same as really flying.

Art, I don't think anyone is honestly of the impression that flight sims on PCs are the same as real flight.

And nobody is even beginning to suggest that combat simulators offer anything more than a brief glimpse of what you and your
comrades and fellow airmen went through in the air over Europe in WW2.

They're good at aiding in instrument training, learning basic procedures (like entering the landing pattern at airports, learning
how to use ILS, tuning into the correct frequency for VORs and other NAVAIDS), and the very basic principles of powered flight.

Not even Microsoft will tell you that their simulation software is intended to be used off-the-shelf as an ultra-realistic and
precision-accurate representation of real world flight because it simply is not possible for it to be so.

The only computer based simulators that offer any degree of accuracy in terms of "look and feel" are the massive multi-million £/$
moving simulators with complete working flight deck and one-piece 180 degree wrap-around screen. That's why they cost millions and
FS2004 costs £50/$80.

But I still wouldn't class MSFS as a game simply because it isn't capable of offering what a real aircraft or a purpose-built
multi-million £/$ aircraft simulator can.

(Just my 2p / 2c)

Cheers
Graeme