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http://www.jumpingpixels.com/russianjetcrash.html
Not a glider but shows what can happen without enough height to recover. |
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Mal wrote:
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/russianjetcrash.html Not a glider but shows what can happen without enough height to recover. It shows why exhibition pilots never work toward the crowd at air shows in the US, and haven't for many years. One of those GOOD rules from the FAA. http://www.jumpingpixels.com/russianjetcrash.html Do you suppose Ukraine will change their rules now? Jack |
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Jack wrote:
Mal wrote: http://www.jumpingpixels.com/russianjetcrash.html Not a glider but shows what can happen without enough height to recover. It shows why exhibition pilots never work toward the crowd at air shows in the US, and haven't for many years. One of those GOOD rules from the FAA. I have been at two airshows in the past several years where the jets turned towards the crowd (in the USA). Scary. http://www.jumpingpixels.com/russianjetcrash.html Do you suppose Ukraine will change their rules now? Jack |
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Greg Arnold wrote:
I have been at two airshows in the past several years where the jets turned towards the crowd (in the USA). Scary. What performers? What shows? Jack |
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Greg Arnold wrote: I have been at two airshows in the past several years where the jets turned towards the crowd (in the USA). Scary. What performers? What shows? Edwards about 3 years ago, and Pt. Mugu this past fall. Don't remember what type of jet at Edwards. At Mugu it was either an F-16 or F-18, doing a high G turn towards the crowd. Jack |
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At a show just today, the announcer specifically mentioned the fact that the
performers would not work over or toward the crowd. So I watched the directions of their flights. I saw some non-military performers turn toward the crowd. In my estimation if they had lost control at about 200-300' AGL their inertia alone would have carried them into the crowd. "Jack" wrote in message . com... It shows why exhibition pilots never work toward the crowd at air shows in the US, and haven't for many years. One of those GOOD rules from the FAA. |
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Greg Arnold wrote:
Edwards about 3 years ago, and Pt. Mugu this past fall. Don't remember what type of jet at Edwards. At Mugu it was either an F-16 or F-18, doing a high G turn towards the crowd. Interesting. I think the Blues and the Thunderbirds have that as a well standardized no-no. I'm surprised that the FAA and various responsible organizations have not enforced such restrictions as thoroughly as I expected. Every venue must have its own challenges WRT airspace and topography, but still, we should know better by now. Jack |
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Jack wrote:
Greg Arnold wrote: Edwards about 3 years ago, and Pt. Mugu this past fall. Don't remember what type of jet at Edwards. At Mugu it was either an F-16 or F-18, doing a high G turn towards the crowd. Interesting. I think the Blues and the Thunderbirds have that as a well standardized no-no. I have never seen either of those demonstration teams turn toward the crowd. It was only a lone jet doing high-G turns right in front of the crowd. I'm surprised that the FAA and various responsible organizations have not enforced such restrictions as thoroughly as I expected. I presume that the FAA can't take away a military pilot's license, so there may not be much that can be done, short of shutting down an airshow. Every venue must have its own challenges WRT airspace and topography, but still, we should know better by now. Sooner or later, there will be a disaster. Jack |
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It would have been an F-16. The Navy removed the 360 deg minimum
radius turn from its single ship performance demos years ago. They replaced it with a figure 8 bow tie maneuver which keeps the flight path vector from passing thru the crowd. WRR Greg Arnold wrote: Jack wrote: Greg Arnold wrote: Edwards about 3 years ago, and Pt. Mugu this past fall. Don't remember what type of jet at Edwards. At Mugu it was either an F-16 or F-18, doing a high G turn towards the crowd. Interesting. I think the Blues and the Thunderbirds have that as a well standardized no-no. I have never seen either of those demonstration teams turn toward the crowd. It was only a lone jet doing high-G turns right in front of the crowd. I'm surprised that the FAA and various responsible organizations have not enforced such restrictions as thoroughly as I expected. I presume that the FAA can't take away a military pilot's license, so there may not be much that can be done, short of shutting down an airshow. Every venue must have its own challenges WRT airspace and topography, but still, we should know better by now. Sooner or later, there will be a disaster. Jack |
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