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question: can I usefully log it?
So I flew recently in a Commander. I was not a required crew member in
this part 91 flight. I flew right seat and an ATP was PIC. He's not a CFI and I'm not instrument-rated. Can I log the time in some way to count the time towards experience in IMC or my total time? Of course I can stick it in my logbook if I feel like it, but could it count towards anything? |
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question: can I usefully log it?
A Commander as in single engine or multi?
If it was single engine, and you are at least a Private Pilot SEL, then you can log any time you were "sole manipulator" of the controls. If you are Instrument rated, you can log that time that you were sole manipulator in IMC. If it was a Multi engine commander (AC690B) etc, and you do not have a multi rating, unless he wants to sign your logbook as "dual given", then other as a nice entry in the logbooks, it does not count for much. Same for the IMC if you are not instrument rated. Otherwise, an enjoyable trip. An ATP may instruct other pilots in air transportation service (61.167b), most ATPs maintain a CFII rating, many may not. BT wrote in message oups.com... So I flew recently in a Commander. I was not a required crew member in this part 91 flight. I flew right seat and an ATP was PIC. He's not a CFI and I'm not instrument-rated. Can I log the time in some way to count the time towards experience in IMC or my total time? Of course I can stick it in my logbook if I feel like it, but could it count towards anything? |
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question: can I usefully log it?
It was a multi and I am a lowly PP-ASEL. If he is not a CFI, can he
sign my logbook as dual given? On May 7, 1:14 am, "BT" wrote: A Commander as in single engine or multi? If it was single engine, and you are at least a Private Pilot SEL, then you can log any time you were "sole manipulator" of the controls. If you are Instrument rated, you can log that time that you were sole manipulator in IMC. If it was a Multi engine commander (AC690B) etc, and you do not have a multi rating, unless he wants to sign your logbook as "dual given", then other as a nice entry in the logbooks, it does not count for much. Same for the IMC if you are not instrument rated. Otherwise, an enjoyable trip. An ATP may instruct other pilots in air transportation service (61.167b), most ATPs maintain a CFII rating, many may not. BT wrote in message oups.com... So I flew recently in a Commander. I was not a required crew member in this part 91 flight. I flew right seat and an ATP was PIC. He's not a CFI and I'm not instrument-rated. Can I log the time in some way to count the time towards experience in IMC or my total time? Of course I can stick it in my logbook if I feel like it, but could it count towards anything? |
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question: can I usefully log it?
On May 6, 10:19 pm, wrote:
It was a multi and I am a lowly PP-ASEL. If he is not a CFI, can he sign my logbook as dual given? On May 7, 1:14 am, "BT" wrote: A Commander as in single engine or multi? If it was single engine, and you are at least a Private Pilot SEL, then you can log any time you were "sole manipulator" of the controls. If you are Instrument rated, you can log that time that you were sole manipulator in IMC. If it was a Multi engine commander (AC690B) etc, and you do not have a multi rating, unless he wants to sign your logbook as "dual given", then other as a nice entry in the logbooks, it does not count for much. Same for the IMC if you are not instrument rated. Otherwise, an enjoyable trip. An ATP may instruct other pilots in air transportation service (61.167b), most ATPs maintain a CFII rating, many may not. BT wrote in message roups.com... So I flew recently in a Commander. I was not a required crew member in this part 91 flight. I flew right seat and an ATP was PIC. He's not a CFI and I'm not instrument-rated. Can I log the time in some way to count the time towards experience in IMC or my total time? Of course I can stick it in my logbook if I feel like it, but could it count towards anything?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No. The only time an ATP can sign your log book to allow you to log the flight is if its connection with a 135 or 121 operation and he's acting as a check pilot. Sorry to say, from my understanding, if you were flying in a twin and do not hold any multiengine ratings, you cannot log anything of the flight, instrument or not. -Robert, CFII |
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question: can I usefully log it?
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... On May 6, 10:19 pm, wrote: It was a multi and I am a lowly PP-ASEL. If he is not a CFI, can he sign my logbook as dual given? On May 7, 1:14 am, "BT" wrote: A Commander as in single engine or multi? If it was single engine, and you are at least a Private Pilot SEL, then you can log any time you were "sole manipulator" of the controls. If you are Instrument rated, you can log that time that you were sole manipulator in IMC. If it was a Multi engine commander (AC690B) etc, and you do not have a multi rating, unless he wants to sign your logbook as "dual given", then other as a nice entry in the logbooks, it does not count for much. Same for the IMC if you are not instrument rated. Otherwise, an enjoyable trip. An ATP may instruct other pilots in air transportation service (61.167b), most ATPs maintain a CFII rating, many may not. BT wrote in message roups.com... So I flew recently in a Commander. I was not a required crew member in this part 91 flight. I flew right seat and an ATP was PIC. He's not a CFI and I'm not instrument-rated. Can I log the time in some way to count the time towards experience in IMC or my total time? Of course I can stick it in my logbook if I feel like it, but could it count towards anything?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No. The only time an ATP can sign your log book to allow you to log the flight is if its connection with a 135 or 121 operation and he's acting as a check pilot. Sorry to say, from my understanding, if you were flying in a twin and do not hold any multiengine ratings, you cannot log anything of the flight, instrument or not. -Robert, CFII Now that we know it was a twin... agreed. BT |
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question: can I usefully log it?
You can log instrument time for that part of the flight that
you fly solely by reference to instruments in actual or simulated instrument conditions. The words "sole manipulator" do not appear in the instrument logging rules nor is their a requirement to have any particular rating (instrument or for the aircraft). |
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question: can I usefully log it?
Interesting. So did all the time above 18,000 count as instrument
conditions, even though we could see the horizon some of the time? Or is it only the time we were in IMC? On May 7, 6:41 am, Ron Natalie wrote: You can log instrument time for that part of the flight that you fly solely by reference to instruments in actual or simulated instrument conditions. The words "sole manipulator" do not appear in the instrument logging rules nor is their a requirement to have any particular rating (instrument or for the aircraft). |
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