Why was the USAF.....................

B2431 wrote:

Marron, I will let you in on a little secret your father committed a crime by
taking you on the flightline in a launch truck. He and his buddies committed a
crime by giving you beer as a minor. He and his buddies were fools for letting
an unqualified person handle their life support equipment.


Dan,

Taking civilians out onto an active flightline is no crime so long as
they are properly supervised. Anyone with escort privilege on their
line badge can do it. We take wives, girlfriends, children and friends
out all the time, even post 9/11. As long as the person escorting keeps
the civilians out of the way there's no problem. The crime occurs if
they are left unsupervised.



The flightline, squadron ops, base ops, life support etc are not playgrounds
for children.

Agreed, but its not an entirely bad thing for jr. to see what daddy does
as long as he is kept out of everybody's way.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Michael Kelly
Bone Maintainer

Is a tail gun necessary on a B52?



No, at least in my opinion. If you ever get a bandit close enough to your
jet
to use a 20mm cannon, many things have gone wrong from the OCA push to the
AWACS coverage.

Geoffrey de Havilland just smiled, somewhere.

G

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
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Yes, Slim Pickens was the pilot of a B-52 in "Dr. Strangelove"
(or "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"),
I can't tell you off hand what model it was supposed to be.

Its a "Chameleon" BUFF. In one scene its a G, the next an H and the next
a
"Tall Tale".


BUFDRVR

I think the whole movie was a "Tall Tale" even the tall tailed bird.

Tex

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
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Would that be the "I" model?? Or do we skip the "I" and go to "J" so no
one thinks it's a "T"?? ( Huh? )


I and O are generally skipped so as not to be confused with 1 and 0.

From: Michael Kelly
Date: 1/9/2004 6:02 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

B2431 wrote:

Marron, I will let you in on a little secret your father committed a crime
by
taking you on the flightline in a launch truck. He and his buddies
committed a
crime by giving you beer as a minor. He and his buddies were fools for
letting
an unqualified person handle their life support equipment.


Dan,

Taking civilians out onto an active flightline is no crime so long as
they are properly supervised. Anyone with escort privilege on their
line badge can do it. We take wives, girlfriends, children and friends
out all the time, even post 9/11. As long as the person escorting keeps
the civilians out of the way there's no problem. The crime occurs if
they are left unsupervised.

Which is what would have happened once the escort climbed into the cockpit. The
father had no business expecting the launch truck driver to continue the
escort. I had escort authority but that doesn't mean you can ask me to baby sit
your child while you go fly.

I don't know about where you are, but on all the TAC, MAC, USAFE, AFSOC base I
was on the flightline was off limits to sight seeing. Further, an excorted
individual needs to have a need to be on the flightline. If memory serves the
ADC ramp at Langley AFB was a resticted area which, among other things, means
no sight seeing. If the ADC base marron's father was stationed at the same regs
apply.

I have seen wives in line trucks and have had them promptly escorted off line.
If you want to show your dependants your aircraft take them to an open house
not the line. They don't belong there.

I don't know what they retitled the AFR-207 series to, but I suggest you review
them and their base apendices.

One thing not addressed so far was marron claims to have been there at 10 years
old. Are you aware that a 10 year old is still developing and should not be
exposed to the radiation and nose of the flightline for exactly the same reason
pregnant women aren't allowed online. If in fact what he said is true I
personally would consider it child abuse. My opinon.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Security Manager, mobility, Avionics on UH-1P, HH-3, HH-53, UH-60A, MH-60G,
C-118, AC-130, HC-130, WC-130, C-131, KC-135, WC-135 ,T-29, T-33, T-39, F-4E
and a few other goodies I'd rather not go into.

From: (B2431)


Correction

I don't know what they retitled the AFR-207 series to, but I suggest you
review
them and their base apendices.

Make that base suplements.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On 08 Jan 2004 22:33:39 GMT, (B2431) wrote:


Marron, I will let you in on a little secret your father committed a
crime by
taking you on the flightline in a launch truck. He and his buddies
committed a
crime by giving you beer as a minor.

Everyone seems to think this, but it's not true. Parents can give
their minor children alcohol legally. Maybe not everywhere in the US,
but in a fairly large part of it.

In California it is legal for a parent to give alcohol to their minor
children. I consider it to be a good idea, as children of non-drinking
parents are statistically the most likely to be victims of alcohol poisoning
in college.

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
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On 09 Jan 2004 02:48:34 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: Mary Shafer
Date: 1/8/2004 7:13 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

On 08 Jan 2004 22:33:39 GMT, (B2431) wrote:


Marron, I will let you in on a little secret your father committed a
crime
by
taking you on the flightline in a launch truck. He and his buddies
committed a
crime by giving you beer as a minor.

Everyone seems to think this, but it's not true. Parents can give
their minor children alcohol legally. Maybe not everywhere in the US,
but in a fairly large part of it.

True, but only at home.

Nope. In most states, it's in "a non-public place". In some, it's
anywhere. In a few, it's only in a home, whose home not specified.
Granted, there are a couple of states where it's a relative's home,
but even that is more places than just "at home", implying the kid's
and parent's home.

It is legal for parents to give children wine in public places in
California, but it is seldom practiced outside of very pricey resturants. I
was not only drinking on Chanute at 17, but also in town in Texas and
Illinois both. Most places will serve minors, if they are not too
squirreley.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
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Would that be the "I" model?? Or do we skip the "I" and go to "J" so no
one thinks it's a "T"?? ( Huh? )




I and O are generally skipped so as not to be confused with 1 and 0.




Yup, same with pre and post war Schwinn bikes.

So we'll call the "Chameleon" BUFF a "J" model! Ha!

"B2431" wrote in message
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From: "John Keeney"
Date: 1/9/2004 12:57 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"Mark and Kim Smith" wrote in message
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Is a tail gun necessary on a B52? Has one ever been used as a
defensive
measure in recent times?

The USAF's answer is obviously "no" since they have removed.
To the best I know the last time it was used in anger was over Vietnam.

Also, refresh my memory, it was a B52 that Slim Pickens was dropped
from
in the movie ( as per BUFDRVR's signature )??

Yes, Slim Pickens was the pilot of a B-52 in "Dr. Strangelove"
(or "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"),
I can't tell you off hand what model it was supposed to be.

It's been a long time since I saw the flick.

Me too. I may have a copy, perhaps I'll watch it this weekend...

All I remember is it was a tall tail.

That's my impression, but I haven't seen it for a long time now
and it was at best a plastic model (was there a real take-off scene?)

Good flick.

Indeed.
A cult classic with the bomber crews back in the days of SAC.
I wonder if the maker of that "antiwar film" found it at all ironic?
A friend who was a BUFF BN tells me they were forbidden to
watch it when it first came out, so they all made a point of
seeing it in town.