I passed the checkride, now need a good GPS and passenger headset

YIPPEE! I'm now a private pilot!

Now I need an aviation GPS ....

No, Joe, you do not "need" a GPS.

At the risk of sounding like an old curmudgeon, let me suggest that
what you now have is permission to practice flying. What you REALLY
need is a great deal of practice reading an aeronautical chart so that
you can find your way on the day that expensive GPS you want to buy
craps out and you're up there all alone with no idea where the hell
you are. (And you're about to blunder into a area where the F-16s will
come looking for you.)

If you can't navigate with depending on a GPS, you're an aeronautical
cripple.

vince norris

Vincent,

No, Joe, you do not "need" a GPS.

Well, let me take the opposite position: In today's airspace, flying wihtout a GPS is IMHO irresponsible. There simply doesn't need to be any connection between card reading abilities and having a GPS - unless you are an irresponsible pilot to start with.

so that
you can find your way on the day that expensive GPS

That "expensive" GPS is around 350 bucks or so. And yes, something can always crap out. The GPS, the VOR, the chart, when it flies out the window. So what?

If you can't navigate with depending on a GPS, you're an aeronautical
cripple.

Having a GPS and not being able to navigate without it are two completely different things.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
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Vincent,

No, Joe, you do not "need" a GPS.

Well, let me take the opposite position: In today's airspace, flying
wihtout a GPS is IMHO irresponsible. There simply doesn't need to be any
connection between card reading abilities and having a GPS - unless you
are an irresponsible pilot to start with.


I'm not sure I go along with the irresponsible part, but I certainly
agree with the benefits of the GPS. For the same reason I tap danced on the
desks (figuratively) of our local school administration 30 years ago to make
sure computer litereacy reached our school's curriculum.
The basic concepts are unarguably absolute essentials. Once an aviator
has those, then bring on the technology.
Just today, my Lowrance 2000C let me turn around the southwest corner of
R-2505 and shave six to ten miles off what used to be the "safe margin" to
avoid the restricted area. There ain't no line painted on the ground to show
you where the boundaries are.

Go Fly!!

Casey

If my GPS died, I'd squawk 7700, broadcast a mayday on 121.5, and, if in a
suitably-equipped aircraft, pull the ejection handle. I think most people
flying in and near the Washingto ADIZ would agree. My last flight required
me to thread between two restricted areas, and then I was told to remain
clear of the ADIZ until my number came up. I probably could have done it
with VORs and a chart, but I wouldn't have been comfortable. I'd still be
waiting to see if that letter came.


"vincent If you can't navigate with depending on a GPS, you're an
aeronautical
cripple.

vince norris

Well, let me take the opposite position: In today's airspace, flying wihtout a GPS is IMHO irresponsible.

Please explain why it's irresponsible. I understand that very few
domestic airliners and commuters have GPS. Does every mililtary
aircraft have GPS? Is it irressponsible to fly a J-3 NORDO, even into
OSH?

That "expensive" GPS is around 350 bucks or so.

The poster said, "I'm thinking of a higher end GPS, maybe even color."

Having a GPS and not being able to navigate without it are two completely different things.

The poster said he NEEDED a GPS. That suggests dependency. And if you
have been flying long, you know that a new pilot with a GPS will
quickly become dependent and will never develop pilotage skills.

It's common knowledge that many recently trained pilots have not
learned to navigate well. It's often been discussed here.

vince norris

On 6/19/06 11:51 PM, in article
t, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
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On 6/30/05 10:56 PM, in article , "C.
Osbourne" wrote:



YIPPEE! I'm now a private pilot!

I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday.

Congratulations Jeff.


What a relief! It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it"d
be, and it went very well.

I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had sex!!!
:-))
Dudley Henriques



While I appreciate the sentiments Dudley, I've had my ticket for a bit now
and will hit 300 hours in the next flight or two. Congratulations on the sex
though.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

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I see what happened :-))) I cleared out OE of messages over a week old and
your reply o Osbourne came up as the first message in a thread. I missed the
(re
Anyway, congratulations on your 300 hours!
:-))))))
Dudley


"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
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On 6/19/06 11:51 PM, in article
t, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
...
On 6/30/05 10:56 PM, in article , "C.
Osbourne" wrote:



YIPPEE! I'm now a private pilot!

I took and passed, the private pilot checkride on Tuesday.

Congratulations Jeff.


What a relief! It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it"d
be, and it went very well.

I seem to remember saying this to myself after the first time I had
sex!!!
:-))
Dudley Henriques



While I appreciate the sentiments Dudley, I've had my ticket for a bit now
and will hit 300 hours in the next flight or two. Congratulations on the
sex
though.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.wizardofdraws.com

More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
http://www.cartoonclipart.com

Vincent,

Please explain why it's irresponsible. I understand that very few
domestic airliners and commuters have GPS. Does every mililtary
aircraft have GPS? Is it irressponsible to fly a J-3 NORDO, even into
OSH?

Well, I think I gave the reason. Remember the two bozos flying over Washington, DC and how much they hurt all
of us?
Airliners have other RNAV equipment. The military too. Do I think a NORDO J-3 should have a handheld GPS?
Yes, I'd strongly recommend it.

The poster said he NEEDED a GPS. That suggests dependency.

Not to me.

It's common knowledge that many recently trained pilots have not
learned to navigate well. It's often been discussed here.

I don't know. Sounds a lot like the "When I was young, x was better" fallacy.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Well, I think I gave the reason. Remember the two bozos flying over Washington, DC and how much they hurt all
of us?

Let's get this straight. The pilots didn't "hurt" anybody. The feds
hurt all of us, using those pilots as an excuse.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Please explain why it's irresponsible.

Well, I think I gave the reason. Remember the two bozos flying over Washington, DC and how much they hurt all
of us?

They did that because they were incompetent, not because they didn't
have a GPS. I've flown for half a century in the Middle Atlantic
states, which are full of various kinds of special use airpspace, and
managed to stay out of trouble. So have thousands --perhaps tens of
thousands -- of other pilots.

Simple map reading skills would have kept those "bozos" out of
trouble. The had only to stay on the correct side of a sizeable
river; they failed to do it. If they coulnd't read a sectional, why do
you suppose they could have read a GPS screen?

Airliners have other RNAV equipment.
I asked a retired American Airlines 747 captain about this at lunch
today. He said that until 1990 or '95, the planes he flew had only
"basic" instruments; inferior to the equipment in many private
aircraft.

The poster said he NEEDED a GPS. That suggests dependency.

Not to me.

Well, I'm "depending" on the definition of the word in the dictionary.

I don't know. Sounds a lot like the "When I was young, x was better" fallacy.

Some things were, some things were not.

The old Adcock ranges were not better than VORs; ADF approaches (as
we then called them) were not better than the ILS. But some things,
such as the average private pilot's pilotage skills, certainly were.
They had little or nothing else to get them to their destination.

vince norris