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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
for cripes sake, the F/A-18E Super Hornet is not good enough to be the
navy's only fighter, and neither is the future JSF / F-35. the Pentagon, Navy and NorthropeGrumman should resurrect plans for the Super Tomcat 21 Attack Super Tomcat 21 and ASF-14 (Advanced Strike Fighter-14) along with the 100-200 mile range Advanced Air To Air Missile as well as the A-12 Avenger II 'Flying Dorito' aka mini stealth bomber relying on the Super Hornet, it's almost as if the higher-ups who hate america want the Navy to get its ass kicked and America to go down. the Navy no longer officially has any mach 2.0+ fighters! the Super Hornet should've been something of mach 2.5 class that went into service in the late 80s, with even more powerful engines, canards, and 3D-thrust vectoring to make it a super-maneuverable fighter that could counter the Su-37 Terminator (and its brothers), but with exellent attack capability. the A-12 becomes the primary bomber/strike plane with the ability to defend itself from other fighters. the Super Tomcat 21 or the even more advanced ASF-14 would've been an exellent alternative to the NATF / F-22N, a 1990s and 21st Century FLEET DEFENDER with decent maneuverability, much easier to mantain, crew of 1, 8, AAAMs plus 2 medium range AAMs plus 2 short range AAMs, plus 30mm cannon and perhaps even a chemical laser for knife fights. (smaller version of the Airborne Laser on the modified 747s. plus the Attack Super Tomcat 21 (faster than the A-12 Avenger II) for F-15 Strike Eagle-like capability. plus a new class of supercarrier 2x the size of Nimitz-class, that's a half a mile long. with an airwing of 150+ aircraft, to carry lots of these new aircraft with their increased payload and needs. plus a new small 'fast carrier', smaller than the Nimitz class, with 60-70 aircraft that can get across the world in 1/2 to 2/3 the time it takes a supercarrier oh yeah im dreaming now. this is gonna be a big thread, i can feel in my bones. hey, at least the videogame company SEGA has the right spirit by making a new, modern AFTERBURNER arcade game, (AfterBurner Climax) with the classic F-14D. it brings back memories of the late 80s when the Navy was SUPREME. not that the Navy isnt great, but clearly the Navy isnt getting what it should have. ok and this ends my rant. |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
"AirRaid" wrote:
this is gonna be a big thread, i can feel in my bones. Yah - ROTFLMAO takes up a lot of room it does. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
plus a new small 'fast carrier', smaller than the Nimitz class, with 60-70 aircraft that can get across the world in 1/2 to 2/3 the time it takes a supercarrier oh yeah im dreaming now. In general, if you want ships to go faster for great distances, you make them bigger, not smaller. John Gilbert |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
Derek Lyons wrote: "AirRaid" wrote: this is gonna be a big thread, i can feel in my bones. Yah - ROTFLMAO takes up a lot of room it does. D. I get the impression his entire knowledge base for these matters is based on his experience with SEGA.... BB I guess everyone has some mountain to climb, it's just fate whether you live in Tibet or Kansas... |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
"John Gilbert" wrote:
plus a new small 'fast carrier', smaller than the Nimitz class, with 60-70 aircraft that can get across the world in 1/2 to 2/3 the time it takes a supercarrier oh yeah im dreaming now. In general, if you want ships to go faster for great distances, you make them bigger, not smaller. John; wrestling with a pig does nothing but get you covered in pig**** and annoys the pig. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
"BlackBeard" wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote: "AirRaid" wrote: this is gonna be a big thread, i can feel in my bones. Yah - ROTFLMAO takes up a lot of room it does. I get the impression his entire knowledge base for these matters is based on his experience with SEGA.... SEKA? The platinum blonde with floppy tits? Yah, she had a navel. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
AirRaid wrote:
for cripes sake, the F/A-18E Super Hornet is not good enough to be the navy's only fighter, and neither is the future JSF / F-35. By definition, if both of those planes exist, then neither one is the Navy's only fighter. the Pentagon, Navy and NorthropeGrumman should resurrect plans for the Super Tomcat 21 Attack Super Tomcat 21 and ASF-14 (Advanced Strike Fighter-14) along with the 100-200 mile range Advanced Air To Air Missile as well as the A-12 Avenger II 'Flying Dorito' aka mini stealth bomber Yeah, I thought those were cool when I was a kid too. the Super Hornet should've been something of mach 2.5 class that went into service in the late 80s, with even more powerful engines, canards, and 3D-thrust vectoring to make it a super-maneuverable fighter that could counter the Su-37 Terminator (and its brothers), but with exellent attack capability. Here's something I don't get. This "Terminator" name...it's just a made-up name slapped on by...who, exactly? It's not a NATO reporting name and I'm pretty sure it's not Sukhoi's name, but yet it gets passed around as if it's not only a name but a description. the A-12 becomes the primary bomber/strike plane with the ability to defend itself from other fighters. the Super Tomcat 21 or the even more advanced ASF-14 would've been an exellent alternative to the NATF / F-22N, a 1990s and 21st Century FLEET DEFENDER with decent maneuverability, much easier to mantain, crew of 1, 8, AAAMs plus 2 medium range AAMs plus 2 short range AAMs, plus 30mm cannon and perhaps even a chemical laser for knife fights. (smaller version of the Airborne Laser on the modified 747s. And a partridge in a pear tree...who's funding this, again? plus the Attack Super Tomcat 21 (faster than the A-12 Avenger II) for F-15 Strike Eagle-like capability. That's what the F-35 is for, plus the F-35 is designed from the start to be stealthy. plus a new class of supercarrier 2x the size of Nimitz-class, that's a half a mile long. with an airwing of 150+ aircraft, to carry lots of these new aircraft with their increased payload and needs. plus a new small 'fast carrier', smaller than the Nimitz class, with 60-70 aircraft that can get across the world in 1/2 to 2/3 the time it takes a supercarrier Or even better, more Nimitz-sized decks with improved catapults, propulsion, radar, and combat systems. *waits...* oh yeah im dreaming now. this is gonna be a big thread, i can feel in my bones. hey, at least the videogame company SEGA has the right spirit by making a new, modern AFTERBURNER arcade game, (AfterBurner Climax) with the classic F-14D. it brings back memories of the late 80s when the Navy was SUPREME. not that the Navy isnt great, but clearly the Navy isnt getting what it should have. ok and this ends my rant. Hey, I loved the Tomcat too, but maintenance costs were killing the squadrons and the airframes weren't going to get any younger (and RCS any smaller). |
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start making the ST21, AST21, ASF-14 and A-12 Flying Dorito!
Jeb Hoge wrote: ....snip Hey, I loved the Tomcat too, but maintenance costs were killing the squadrons and the airframes weren't going to get any younger (and RCS any smaller). The proposed ST21 and the Strike F14 did have reduced RCS. |
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New Carriers - Old refurbishments - New Navy Fighters that go FAR - FAST - and HIGH
You all seemd to me to have hit the main issues with the USN right now - somehow the Navy has thrown away its good sense and started chasing courses of action that will reduce its ability to deal with the world threats in only from a defensive nature. (1) New big carriers go fast, protect themselves better, and sustain more everything but they can't start costing $10 billion plus each (2) The F/A-18E/F/G has re-written the maintainability and sortie generation books but it is no more then a more capable A-7 and not even an A-6 and surely not an F-14 despite the maintenance nightmares. (3) Since there is not a Naval F-22, hardly can't see the Typhoon working sensibly, and we do not want to deal with the French for the Rafale (which is the best Naval fighter around today) - then going back and redesigning a super-Tomcat is not a bad idea and since now with the F-15E and F-14D we have the right engines around - go for the digital improved all - electric Tomcat. (4) If we drop JSF STOVL and force only one configuration CTOL and then slide the whole program to include a decade or so development the JSF could absorb the UCS/UCAV and work to have manned - unmanned variants which makes more sense and helps preserve the stealth if it works to keep the internal weapon design (say maybe include something laser by then) - but this alone could pay for the new Tomcat and a crash program it could be (5) Now like it or not, the move from battle ship to carrier will have another shift down the road and that may be sub-surface so the Navy may really find that under-sea ops will be its big hitters and the whole surface world may have to look again at what it is and should be. But whatever it is - the present Navy is not it |
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New Carriers - Old refurbishments - New Navy Fighters that go FAR - FAST - and HIGH
In message CFomh.8490$tc5.2604@trnddc01, Ski
writes You all seemd to me to have hit the main issues with the USN right now - somehow the Navy has thrown away its good sense and started chasing courses of action that will reduce its ability to deal with the world threats in only from a defensive nature. (2) The F/A-18E/F/G has re-written the maintainability and sortie generation books but it is no more then a more capable A-7 and not even an A-6 and surely not an F-14 despite the maintenance nightmares. Some issues there - the Hornet's much more survivable than the A-7 or A-6, and certainly much more flexible (you couldn't multirole a Corsair or Intruder airframe, let alone swing-role it - but the Hornet's been doing that for twenty years). The Hornet gets you flexibility and affordability, which is what the Navy needs at the moment. (3) Since there is not a Naval F-22, hardly can't see the Typhoon working sensibly, and we do not want to deal with the French for the Rafale (which is the best Naval fighter around today) - then going back and redesigning a super-Tomcat is not a bad idea and since now with the F-15E and F-14D we have the right engines around - go for the digital improved all - electric Tomcat. The Tomcat was a very specific answer to a very particular question, that being "How do we deal with a regiment-plus of Badgers or Backfires armed with supersonic high-diving carrier-killing ASMs?". Lacking that threat, there's no urgent requirement for a Tomcat or replacement. (4) If we drop JSF STOVL and force only one configuration CTOL and then slide the whole program to include a decade or so development In half a sentence you lose most of the customers. The STOVL variant was added because there was a user requirement (US-led and then others bought in) and if you "slide a decade" then you lose your export sales, who didn't sign up for an extra ten-year gap. (5) Now like it or not, the move from battle ship to carrier will have another shift down the road and that may be sub-surface so the Navy may really find that under-sea ops will be its big hitters and the whole surface world may have to look again at what it is and should be. Trouble there is that submarines are great for sea denial, but hopeless for sea control. How do you escort oil tankers through the Straits of Hormuz, or shiploads of evacuees out of Lebanon, with a submarine? -- The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors, will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools. -Thucydides Paul J. Adam - mainbox{at}jrwlynch[dot]demon(dot)codotuk |
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