FAI ratifies records of illegal flights.

How about an extra minute?Â* 10?Â* An hour?Â* Rules are set in advance and,
if you don't complete the task within the rule, /_which you understood
before takeoff_/, what right do you have to claim that only one second
should be allowed?

Give the man a participation trophy.Â* He'll feel better about himself.

On 12/25/2019 11:15 AM, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 10:02:52 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Are we talking about a few seconds, here?
I flew the longest legal triangle out of Minden, a few years back. At my first turn (Mine near Owens Lake), was on the line of the correct observation zone, centered on Austin, Nv. State records keeper would not accept my record 1000K flight..............are line’es in, or are line’es out???
Lord save us from the nitpickers!
JJ
So 19:43:59 is fine, you get the record, but 19:44:00 and you are an illegal charlatan? Please, we have bigger fish to fry.

Tom

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Dan, 5J

That's a fair claim, if that's the way it happened.Â* ...Unless the rules
state that the /_flight_/ must be legal.Â* Maybe he had navigation lights.

On 12/25/2019 11:26 AM, Roy B. wrote:
Jan:
While I am not an expert on these rules, I note that this was an Out and Return distance record that would have used a start and finish line (to make sure that the finish altitude was within 1000m of the start). Would not the "soaring performance" have ended at the finish line crossing and not at the landing? Why is time of landing (or any rule violation) after the record performance is completed relevant to validity of the record claim?
ROY

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Dan, 5J

If sunset time is stated in hours and minutes, then minutes are what you validate, not minutes and seconds? I guess there is a lot more to this story we are not told.

https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=4820067



The roll stopped at 19:43:59 (UTC +2)
Local Sunset was 19:27 (UTC +2)

What do the SA regulations require?

T8

Op 12/26/2019 om 16:23 schreef Tango Eight:
https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=4820067



The roll stopped at 19:43:59 (UTC +2)
Local Sunset was 19:27 (UTC +2)

What do the SA regulations require?

T8


Sunset + 15 minutes.

Two points

Within reason, I don't feel it is my business what some one else feels is a valid badge or record claim. I personally think it makes more fun to let one bad tracking point be enough to dq because it means that I get the fun of trying again. I can see that others might see this differently, but I don't see how this disagreement should lead to disapproval.

Most table of sunrise/sunset are to the nearest minute, but there is probably a legal definition and table of sun locations which would get this to the second at the actual landing point. The flight might have been without question, given the right figuring after the fact.

Intrigued by this post, I went searching for the SA AIP (http://www.caa.co.za/Pages/Aeronauti...blication.aspx) to check what is called "day" in the local AIP. Although I found about 190 occurences of the words "day" or "daytime" in the GEN and ENR parts, I was unable to find a valid definition of these terms.

The SA AIP gives SR and SS tables for different Airports, but not for Douglas.

In my country, "day" is clearly defined in the AIP as SR-30' SS+30'; I know of other countries where it is between civil twilights. Where did you get the SR-15' SR+15' from?

Of course, I meant "Where did you get the SR-15' SS+15' from?"

From the Canada AIP:

"In the morning, civil twilight begins when the centre of the sun’s disc is 6°
below the horizon and is ascending, and ends at sunrise, approximately
25 minutes later. In the evening, civil twilight begins at sunset, and ends
when the centre of the sun’s disc is 6° below the horizon and is descending,
approximately 25 minutes later. The number of minutes varies depending
on the latitude and the time of year.
"

Horizon may be affected by relative terrain elevation in the crepuscular direction.

On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 9:45:05 AM UTC-5, Jan R wrote:
Op 12/26/2019 om 16:23 schreef Tango Eight:
https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=4820067



The roll stopped at 19:43:59 (UTC +2)
Local Sunset was 19:27 (UTC +2)

What do the SA regulations require?

T8


Sunset + 15 minutes.

How annoying.

T8