A380 unveiling, 1/18/05, Live.

Larry,

How many passengers would such a car carry?


four, including the driver. Available from Volkswagen in Germany as we
speak. See
http://showrooms.volkswagen.de/vwcms..._public/showro
oms/de/lupo/lupo_3l_tdi/home.frameset_outer.html

But indeed, the comparison is of limited value, as anyone would find
out who'd try to drive his VW from the US to Europe.
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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

nobody wrote:

Interesting tidbit from Bob Bliar:

The A380 consumes only 3 litres of fuel per pax per 100km, equivalent to
a fuel efficient diesel car.

Interesting stat, but the followup discussion here points out a
question on exactly what this stat is. Is it fuel burn per passenger
mile at max passenger load (i.e., the 380 carries 110 times as many
passengers as the 5-passenger car, but burns less than 110 times as
much fuel per mile) or fuel burn per passenger mile at typical
passenger loads (i.e., the 380 at a typical passenger load of, e.g.,
450 carries 300 times as many passengers as the car at a typical load
of 1.5 people, but burns less than 300 times as much fuel per mile.

Obviously, such a statistic based on capacity is far more significant
than one based on average use. 3 liters/passenger per 100KM? I suspect
there are MANY 5-passenger cars that will go further than 100KM on 15
liters of fuel, but not may that will go 100KM on 4.5 liters of fuel,
if 1.5 is the average load of the car.


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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:04:52 -0500, alexy wrote:

nobody wrote:

Interesting tidbit from Bob Bliar:

The A380 consumes only 3 litres of fuel per pax per 100km, equivalent to
a fuel efficient diesel car.

Interesting stat, but the followup discussion here points out a
question on exactly what this stat is. Is it fuel burn per passenger
mile at max passenger load (i.e., the 380 carries 110 times as many
passengers as the 5-passenger car, but burns less than 110 times as
much fuel per mile) or fuel burn per passenger mile at typical
passenger loads (i.e., the 380 at a typical passenger load of, e.g.,
450 carries 300 times as many passengers as the car at a typical load
of 1.5 people, but burns less than 300 times as much fuel per mile.

Obviously, such a statistic based on capacity is far more significant
than one based on average use. 3 liters/passenger per 100KM? I suspect
there are MANY 5-passenger cars that will go further than 100KM on 15
liters of fuel, but not may that will go 100KM on 4.5 liters of fuel,
if 1.5 is the average load of the car.


Exactly. Commercial aircraft, and especially long-haul commercial
aircraft operating the sorts of routes for which the 380 is designed
have far higher occupancy rates than cars, so the number of seats a
car has is irrelevant.
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:34:37 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote in
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But indeed, the comparison is of limited value,

Right. Although it considers fuel efficiency, it fails to address the
difference in speed.

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

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Well, here we go, guys. It's tomorrow, streamed live on Airbus'
website. ZDF (Zweite Deutsche Fernsehen, Ch. 2, Germany) and CNN
International are going to be covering it as well. Starts tomorrow at
10am GMT (2am PST). Agenda as follows (times are GMT):

07:30
Joint press conference with Noel Forgeard, Airbus President and Chief
Executive Officer, and A380 customer Chief Executive Officers.

10:00 (with live video feed on airbus.com site) Arrival of Heads of
State and Governments
- Mr Jacques Chirac,President of the French Republic
- The Right Honourable Tony Blair, Prime Minister of the United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
- His Excellency Mr Gerhard Schroder, Chancellor of the Federal
Republic of Germany
- His Excellency Mr Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, President of the
Government of the Spanish Kingdom

11:05 [with live video feed on airbus.com site]
- Beginning of ceremony.
- Aircraft Reveal.
- Inauguration of the aircraft.

11:35 End of ceremony.

All feeds will be available at
http://www.airbus.com/events/a380_re...vent/index.asp .

Enjoy.

BL.
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I recorded it. 2 hours of circus, stuffed shirts, talking heads and
enough hot air to levitate the entire A380 production for the next 10
years.
The whole program must have overrun, my recorder switched off before the
plane even got shown.
What a disappointment. I finally got to see the plane in the evening
news. Nice paint scheme, but "rollout"? The plane didn't move one inch.

T.

Thomas Borchert wrote:
But indeed, the comparison is of limited value, as anyone would find
out who'd try to drive his VW from the US to Europe.

The comparison has meaning from an environmental point of view. Planes
have often been portrayed as being extremely energy inefficient,
consuming vastly more fuel per passenger than cars and generating plenty
of pollution.

This puts the 380 on roughly the same order of magnitude as very fuel
efficient cars, and gives the A380 better fuel economy per pax that
average US vehicles (which I think is more than 10 litres per 100km).

nobody wrote:

This puts the 380 on roughly the same order of magnitude as very fuel
efficient cars

Actually, no. There are diesel cars which burn 3 litres of diesel on 100
kilometers for the *entire car*. Which means 3 litres for 4 passengers,
or even 5 if you accept to be stuffed like in an airplane.

Stefan

In article , Stefan says...
nobody wrote:

This puts the 380 on roughly the same order of magnitude as very fuel
efficient cars

Actually, no. There are diesel cars which burn 3 litres of diesel on 100
kilometers for the *entire car*. Which means 3 litres for 4 passengers,
or even 5 if you accept to be stuffed like in an airplane.

Hard to fit five passengers into a modern car. Usually there are two
seats in the front and three seatbelt positions in the rear, for a total
of five occupants, one of whom is the driver.

In article , Thomas Borchert says...
But indeed, the comparison is of limited value, as anyone would find
out who'd try to drive his VW from the US to Europe.

I dunno. Russian roads aren't interstates, but they are certainly
present.

In article , Larry Dighera
says...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:58:54 +1100, Peter wrote in
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If you look at the number of passengers, then the A380 is vastly more
efficient, because unless a car carries hundreds of passengers, you are
going to have hundreds of drivers and comparatively few passengers
compared to two pilots and hundreds passengers on the Airbus.

More efficient in fuel-per-passenger-mile? Doubtful.

The A380 doesn't need 110 pilots to carry 440 passengers. Huge manpower
savings.