ASW27B prices falling

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:45:01 PM UTC-6, Scott Williams wrote:

BTW, of the 133 ASW 27's on the FAA registry, there are only Four Identified as B's. and all three listed on W&W are listed as B's.

Some ASW 27B's are shown as straight 27's on the registry. Mine's a B, with wet wings and higher W/S, extra flap setting, etc. But shown as a straight 27 on the registry.

Gary Osoba

W/S = wing span?

W/S = wing span?


Sorry... engineering parlance for Wing Loading.

Gary

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:45:01 PM UTC-6, Scott Williams wrote:

BTW, of the 133 ASW 27's on the FAA registry, there are only Four Identified as B's. and all three listed on W&W are listed as B's.

Some ASW 27B's are shown as straight 27's on the registry. Mine's a B, with wet wings and higher W/S, extra flap setting, etc. But shown as a straight 27 on the registry.

Gary Osoba

Does your '27 have a max gross of more than 1102 lb?
Curious.
UH

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 1:10:27 PM UTC-6, wrote:

Does your '27 have a max gross of more than 1102 lb?
Curious.
UH

Hank, I would consider you to be much more knowledgable about these models than I am. As far as I know, both models were certified to 500kg = 1102.31 lbs. max mass, but some pilots of average size/mass in the straight 27 with water bags had reported having difficulty getting enough water in the wings to reach that. Large pilots or gliders heavy from repairs/excess equipment would not have that difficulty. The wet wings work very well and hold all the water they were designed for. Like you did on yours, mine has much bigger dump valves and plumbing installed which gives very good dump times.

Another straight 27- 27B difference is the taller factory winglets on the B model, giving slightly more effective span. Some have reported slightly better handling. I doubt I would be able to tell the difference, but possibly some can. As you know, the handling is absolutely superb on any of these- with or without full water.

Gary

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-6, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

A ASW-27 is a great glider and it does strike me as odd that they don't sell quick. However, I believe the majority of the buyers right now are like myself, new to soaring, wanting to buy something that is fun, like my Libelle 201B; but also not something that looks like it is "too much" glider for the first purchase.

Just an idea.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 11:06:29 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:00:32 AM UTC-6, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

A ASW-27 is a great glider and it does strike me as odd that they don't sell quick. However, I believe the majority of the buyers right now are like myself, new to soaring, wanting to buy something that is fun, like my Libelle 201B; but also not something that looks like it is "too much" glider for the first purchase.

Just an idea.

Well....not to be a total smart alec but let me chime in once more.
In the business of sales, particularly used item sales; the prices will be dictated what the market can bare, that is as simple as that.
Since we are seeing the $20-40 market drop about 30% due to the lack of demand, why should be the $60-1000k market be any different? If the owners would price their gliders to sell and reduce prices where they should be... they will sell. No one likes to take a hit but sometimes one needs to take a hard look and just bite the bullet or expect to sit on the item for a very long time and sometimes more,( there are plenty of examples of this on the WW classified).
Sure... there are gliders being sold for a quarter mill but what's the percentage of that compared to the total market...maybe 2%?
Just my nickel's worth.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

There 2 AWS27 on W&W now one AWS 27 for 60K and a AWS 27b for 80K.

I can see that people seem to prefer motor-gliders these days... at least on the new ones...

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-4, ripacheco1967 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

There 2 AWS27 on W&W now one AWS 27 for 60K and a AWS 27b for 80K.


Some interesting facts, the ASW27 is as good as the ASG29 in the 15 meter configuration. Lot less money and with the right person at the stick you may even be surprised. The 27 is as good as any fifteen meter ship around, maybe better. I had a new 20 back in the late 70's and I have always said that if there was a hall of fame for gliders the 20 would be at the top of the list. The 27 is a great 15 meter ship. I took a look at the 15 meter national scores and the 27 is as competitive as any. You usually get what you pay for.

I can see that people seem to prefer motor-gliders these days... at least on the new ones...

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 4:28:50 PM UTC-7, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-4, ripacheco1967 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 6:00:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
There are 3 nice ASW27's for sale, all at reduced prices in the Wings and Wheels website. We 3 owners are mystified at the seeming lack of interest in this ship. Two of us are no longer flying thanks to Father Time and we're throwing in lots of soaring related "goodies" with your purchase.



http://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/?m=glider

There 2 AWS27 on W&W now one AWS 27 for 60K and a AWS 27b for 80K.


Some interesting facts, the ASW27 is as good as the ASG29 in the 15 meter configuration. Lot less money and with the right person at the stick you may even be surprised. The 27 is as good as any fifteen meter ship around, maybe better. I had a new 20 back in the late 70's and I have always said that if there was a hall of fame for gliders the 20 would be at the top of the list. The 27 is a great 15 meter ship. I took a look at the 15 meter national scores and the 27 is as competitive as any. You usually get what you pay for.

I can see that people seem to prefer motor-gliders these days... at least on the new ones...

ASW-27 has something the ASG-29 doesn't have, about 50 pound lighter wings!

One reason I moved from a nice 20C to a 27 was lighter wings. Rigging and derigging easier for older pilots.

But there's costs for the automatic hookups and carbon fiber: smaller O2 bottle and maybe external antennas for PowerFLARM and transponder.