A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Piloting
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Vehicular Ramp Access



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old March 22nd 07, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Denny
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 562
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

Read the original post in a state of sleep deprivation, missed the
fact you stated the perimeter road is on airport property... The
perimeter roads for the majority of GA airports I inhabit are public,
so my mind set was in that direction...
Sorry, but you will likely have to do it their way on airport property
for now...
The rest of my post stands as is...

I noticed a federal court just struck down internet porn filter
regulations promulgated by the Bush administration related to our
topic by being another set of federal regulations rammed down our
throats by zealots... I would not have predicted this outcome for
that suit, but it is refreshing to see the court take the stand that
it is the parents LEGAL responsibility to MONITOR and CONTROL their
children, not the school's, not the library's, etc. and that the
government does not have the constitutional power to reallocate that
responsibility to third parties......

"What, you expect me to watch my nasty little spawn of satan! Why
should I have to do it? What do I pay taxes for?"

Absolutely priceless...

The whole point of this is that the majority of regulations strangling
GA airports cannot withstand a determined court challenge - including
being harassed for riding a bicycle...

denny

  #22  
Old March 22nd 07, 07:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Marco Leon
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 319
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

Sorry to hear about your customers John. The thing is, if the airport
proposed these measures within a relatively short period of time after 9-11,
there would be minimal opposition. Now that it's six years later, the
motives behind these meaures are now suspect.

We had the entire airport re-fenced as well and cables/locks were installed
for each aircraft all at the airport's expense. Virtually all of us
appreciated that and that's why I think there will be little opposition if
they make us foot the bill for an access control system for vehicles.

We also don't have any active military installations on the field so they
can't point to that as a reason. Bush flew into the airport a couple of
years ago (that event actually prompted the cable locks) but that's not
anticipated to be a regular occurrence.

We'll see what happens.

Marco

"John" wrote in message
ups.com...
There is a photo I.D. system (SIDA) in place and it must be worn on
the outermost garment while on the airfield. (I got caught the first
day it was active ten feet from the hangar!) The airfield perimeter
is completely fenced and gated. Also you cannot drive on the airfield
itself without an endorsement through a class and test which is
reflected on your badge. The only way to get to an aircraft for
preventative maintenance is to be escorted to the aircraft by an
operator with vehicle priveleges.

Post 9-11 the airport was closed for at least a week as I remember,
while security measures were reviewed. There wasn't much of a fight.
This is a MassPort facility so they pretty much can do whatever they
want though there is always some public input before they do. MassPort
remains pretty embarassed at the fact that the two WTC aircraft came
out of Logan (B0S). It took a while to develop the program but it is
now in force. Hanscom is collocated with Hanscom Air Force Base and
the Electronic Systems Command; security there is even tighter though
the guards at the gate are mostly civilian now. I don't know of any
handicap issues per se. I lost fully half my annual customers in 2002
as owners left for other airports with easier access.

John Dupre'



  #23  
Old March 22nd 07, 10:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Peter Dohm
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,754
Default Vehicular Ramp Access


... There were other good questions that came up during the meeting but
these were the main ones. I'm curious as to if or how the airport

addressed
similar issues.


Like "What, exactly, is the risk they are concerned about?" - For the life
of me, I can't figgure out how an automobile on a G.A. airport is a
"security risk".

--
Geoff


I don't know either, but suspect that "Security" is just the standard answer
for the present decade.

Two much more likely reasons a
1) Runway or taxiway incursion by a service or security vehicle--which
will remain unaffected by the rule.
2) One of the parked aircraft jumped out in front of an airport tug,
either locally or at a nearby airport--which got them to thinking that it
could easily have happened to an automobile, or even one of those little
luggage hand trucks...

Peter


  #24  
Old March 23rd 07, 11:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 195
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

Jose wrote:
A man being harassed for riding a bicycle on a public road because
it is near an airport


Well, from the OP the road was =on= the airport.


Jose is correct - the road I was on was inside the fenced, gated area of
the airport. There are city streets on three sides of the airport that
are outside of the fence, but that wasn't where I was.

Matt Roberds

  #25  
Old March 23rd 07, 11:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 195
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

Denny wrote:
Read the original post in a state of sleep deprivation, missed the
fact you stated the perimeter road is on airport property...


That is correct.

The perimeter roads for the majority of GA airports I inhabit are
public, so my mind set was in that direction...


There are city streets on three sides of the airport that are outside
of the fence, but that wasn't where I was.

Sorry, but you will likely have to do it their way on airport
property for now...


The airport authority at least got my email about it. I got a polite
reply that my email was being forwarded to another department for a
response. I will give them a decent chance to reply before ranting
about it here.

Matt Roberds

  #26  
Old March 23rd 07, 02:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Maxwell
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,116
Default Vehicular Ramp Access


wrote in message
...
Jose wrote:
A man being harassed for riding a bicycle on a public road because
it is near an airport


Well, from the OP the road was =on= the airport.


Jose is correct - the road I was on was inside the fenced, gated area of
the airport. There are city streets on three sides of the airport that
are outside of the fence, but that wasn't where I was.

Matt Roberds


Agreed. But in our case we have minimum wage security personnel coming
=outside= airport security fences and harassing people parking on the
easement of a 4 lane highway, just because they want to safely park and
watch the jets land. It was a well used area pre 911, and you could often
see entire families there, admiring the big aircraft as they landed.

The only rational given to me by security personnel was that it would be a
good place for someone to park and shoot at an approaching aircraft. But
just 300 feet north is the border for a huge, heavily wooded, public park
with no security at all. I myself, have been harassed one evening when I
stopped to watch a few aircraft with a girlfriend.

My point is simply to support Denny's message. Whether it be the Patriot Act
or just post 911 nonsense, we are paying some very unreasonable prices for
our countries inability to effectively deal with the real situation.


  #27  
Old March 23rd 07, 03:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,317
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

Maxwell wrote:
wrote in message
...
Jose wrote:
A man being harassed for riding a bicycle on a public road because
it is near an airport

Well, from the OP the road was =on= the airport.


Jose is correct - the road I was on was inside the fenced, gated
area of the airport. There are city streets on three sides of the
airport that are outside of the fence, but that wasn't where I was.

Matt Roberds


Agreed. But in our case we have minimum wage security personnel coming
=outside= airport security fences and harassing people parking on the
easement of a 4 lane highway, just because they want to safely park
and watch the jets land. It was a well used area pre 911, and you
could often see entire families there, admiring the big aircraft as
they landed.


That's a whole different ball of poo then. I'd ask the rent a cop why he
thinks he has any jurisdiction outside of the airport grounds. Now parking
beside a 4 lane highway may be a problem in your area but other than that...


  #28  
Old March 23rd 07, 07:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Maxwell
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,116
Default Vehicular Ramp Access


"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...
Maxwell wrote:
wrote in message
...
Jose wrote:
A man being harassed for riding a bicycle on a public road because
it is near an airport

Well, from the OP the road was =on= the airport.

Jose is correct - the road I was on was inside the fenced, gated
area of the airport. There are city streets on three sides of the
airport that are outside of the fence, but that wasn't where I was.

Matt Roberds


Agreed. But in our case we have minimum wage security personnel coming
=outside= airport security fences and harassing people parking on the
easement of a 4 lane highway, just because they want to safely park
and watch the jets land. It was a well used area pre 911, and you
could often see entire families there, admiring the big aircraft as
they landed.


That's a whole different ball of poo then. I'd ask the rent a cop why he
thinks he has any jurisdiction outside of the airport grounds. Now parking
beside a 4 lane highway may be a problem in your area but other than
that...


It's city owned property. To the best of my knowledge, if they ask you to
leave for ANY reason, and you refuse to leave, it's trespassing. They are
just using a post 911 security rational to restrict an area that has never
been restricted before.


  #29  
Old March 23rd 07, 07:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 897
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

They are
just using a post 911 security rational to restrict an area that has never
been restricted before.


Ok, this is finally getting to me. It's not just you, but several
posters now.

"rationale".

There. It's off my chest.

Jose
--
Humans are pack animals. Above all things, they have a deep need to
follow something, be it a leader, a creed, or a mob. Whosoever fully
understands this holds the world in his hands.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
  #30  
Old March 23rd 07, 08:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Gig 601XL Builder
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,317
Default Vehicular Ramp Access

Maxwell wrote:

It's city owned property. To the best of my knowledge, if they ask
you to leave for ANY reason, and you refuse to leave, it's
trespassing. They are just using a post 911 security rational to
restrict an area that has never been restricted before.


Get yourself a picket sign. Doesn't matter what it says. Then you are
exercising your free speech rights on city property.


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ramp riders Paul Aviation Photos 3 November 20th 06 11:48 PM
Ramp Riders 6 Paul Aviation Photos 0 November 19th 06 10:09 PM
Ramp riders 5 Paul Aviation Photos 0 November 19th 06 10:09 PM
FAA "Ramp Check" Delta_Whiskey Soaring 1 August 11th 03 03:05 AM
MMU ramp fee Peter Gottlieb Piloting 25 August 9th 03 12:49 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.