Israel pays the price for buying only Boeing (and not Airbus)

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Menachem Begin: "In June 1967 we...had a choice. The Egyptian army
concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was
really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We
decided to attack him." (New York Times, August 21, 1982).

PLEASE read Oren's recent book "Six Days of War" to update yourself
on the realities. While it is true that Nasser would have wanted to
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Uhmmm...you DO have a problem staying on subject, don't you? YOU said
that Begin never uttered such comments--here is the proof. Now are you
gonna claim those were not his words?

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Source: http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm#Taxpayer

Yeah, a totally honest Arab source.

Nope, a US source, with past members of the Board of Directors
including the likes of the old Senator Fullbright.

Fullbright is as much full of **** as Saddam Hussein.

Suuure....now, you said it was an *Arab* source...and you were (again)
wrong.


But
I have no objection to the US cutting off all aid to ISrael if it
also
cuts off all aid to Egypt

But nobody has been bellyaching about how the US aid to egypt is such
a "burden" to Egyptians. So why cut their aid?

Their aid has no rationale at all. They have numerical superiority.

LOL! Have you been sleeping for the last fifty years? Since when does
numerical superiority guarantee anything? Did it guarantee the Arabs
success in 48, 56, 67, or 73? No? So much for "numerical superiority"
in this argument...

THeir
army is stronger now thanks to US aid than ever in history. They have
the Sinai back and ISrael's strategic depth has been totally negated.
They pay no price for their aid; Israel does. Why should Egypt complain.
Israel's aid comes at a heavy price to ISrael.

They pay no price? Have you missed the condemnation from the more
radical Arab leaders/government since Sadat went to the peace treaty
table?

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LOL! On a per capita basis, only to the tune of around $14 thousand
per year (that is per Israeli citizen).

IT MOSTLY GOES STRAIGHT FROM THE US TREASURY TO Boeing and other
defense contractors and THEIR WORKERS!!! Your figures and conclusions
are BOTH bogus!

Then provide some proof; the fact is that we are paying out mucho
bucks and watching the goods head to Israel, for the most part. Then
there is the 25% or so that we allow the Israelis to spend *in Israel*
that we never see *any* return from, not to mention the other
non-military aid that goes to Israel. $14K per Israeli per year and
growing....



Do you
think that
Israelis like living in M-1 tanks and Apache helicopters? If the world
wants
to solve the ME problems, let the world ban all arms and aid from the
region!

The israelis don't HAVE any M1 tanks, FYI.

Oh, but Egypt does. It produces them under license. Israel has its own better
tank, the Merkava II.

The statement was they were living in M1 tanks--kind of hard to do
when they have none.

Okay, Apaches and F-16's. Those make very comfortable living rooms for
the men who almost all serve 30 or more days a year inhabiting them.
Some luxury.

More cheese, please? They would probably spend a bit less time in
those vehicles if they pulled out of the West Bank and negotiated a
return of the Golan to Syria.

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Get a grip, PAC 3 is NOT an Israeli modification.

And you know this how?

www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/patriot.htm

http://www.designation-systems.net/d...pp4/pac-3.html (this one from a
regular RAM participant, Andreas Parsch)

Do you need more, or do you think this may be enough to give you a
clue?


or do
you mean the Israeli designed Arrow II that the US did mostly fund, but
mainly to help it get around the US-Soviet ABM treaty since it was an
Israeli project?

LOL! That's a hoot. And that is NOT the reason--try again.

Ha! The simple fact is that Israel has the only working theater ABM
system in the world at the moment, that has passed all of its tests
with flying colors. And it was designed by Israelis and not by Americans.
The US put up most of the money and got control over its sale and full
access to the design and technology. A bargain if there ever was one.

Uhmmm...the only combat tested TBM system currently fielded is
Patriot; you know, the ones the Israelis also have (though not as
advanced as the later US versions, IIRC)?


could be a very serious threat, particularly if
the
Egyptians acquired nukes.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts....and the Israelis already HAVE
nukes.

So do the Americans, thanks to Jewish scientists used during WWII.

Groannn....so you want to make this a racial/religious argument?

The JEwish nation-in-exile was THE major contributor to the creation
and development of nuclear power, period!!! Israel has a thousand times
more RIGHT to nuclear WMD than the US or the UK. Indeed, the US and UK
absconded the patents from Leo Szilard.

Oh, boy...you actually believe all of this tripe, don't you?



ANd there are those in the Egyptian
parliament
calling on Egyptian development of nukes. In fact, the EGyptian army
has
never been a greater threat to Israel than today.

Bull. Pure, unadulterated BS. Even the israeli government does not put
out this kind of farcificial nonsense.

How much of it do you read? Do you read the Israeli Hebrew press? It is a
MAJOR concern, but Israel cannot press it as the US will do nothing much
about it, and Israel won't get anywhere with it. So it does so quietly.
It doesn't go to the press with every concern or complaint.

It ain't a major threat. If you think it is, provide proof otherwise.

Israel doesn't accept your word for it. Go read the Israeli military
press.

Come on, provide some proof; if it is such a prevalent attitude among
the Israeli government as you claim, you should find that easy to do.
Time for you to put up, or shut up.

Brooks