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Jay Honeck wrote: Murder is not generally considered a religious trait. That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over religion than anything else. George Patterson |
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MC wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote: wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson" wrote: Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and that number is falling, which I find surprising. Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence becomes too harsh to rationally accept. I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion". As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns, indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with religion.. If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD. My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I believe), all qualify. That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard. Actually, it is the essence of a true believer.. "True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a non-believer and must to be killed because they are obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and cannot be allowed to spread their contagion. AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. Matt |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:19:02 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote: Jay Honeck wrote: Murder is not generally considered a religious trait. That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over religion than anything else. George Patterson Or even those that do belong to their own faith, but not in quite the "right" way. |
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== cfeyeeye writes:
But hose with their heads buried in the religious sands (or in anatomical locations where the sun don't shine) just never see it. Why are you picking on the prostitutes? What do they have to do with it? -- PGP key at http://www.longhands.org/drg-pgp.txt Key Id:0x507D93DF |
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... MC wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson" wrote: Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and that number is falling, which I find surprising. Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence becomes too harsh to rationally accept. I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion". As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns, indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with religion.. If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD. My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I believe), all qualify. That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard. Actually, it is the essence of a true believer.. "True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a non-believer and must to be killed because they are obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and cannot be allowed to spread their contagion. AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. During Hitler's ascendancy and power, millions did not view him as a "fanatic nut case." Matter of fact he visited regularly with his close friend Pope Pius in Rome. |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote: And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6 million human beings. I'm not sure what a christian culture is, but a Christian culture didn't do that. It was a Christian culture that came to the defense of the Jews. You need to pick up a good history book and spend a little time with it. |
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G.R. Patterson III wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote: Murder is not generally considered a religious trait. That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over religion than anything else. Where is your data? I think far more have been killed over greed than religion. Unfortunately, my data is about as good as yours. :-) Matt |
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jls wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... MC wrote: Matt Whiting wrote: wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson" wrote: Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and that number is falling, which I find surprising. Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence becomes too harsh to rationally accept. I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion". As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns, indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with religion.. If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD. My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I believe), all qualify. That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard. Actually, it is the essence of a true believer.. "True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a non-believer and must to be killed because they are obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and cannot be allowed to spread their contagion. AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't go around killing people who hold contrary views. Neither do people who belong to legitimate and mainstream religions. It is fun to watch folks like you try to lump fanatic nut cases like Hitler with religion. I'm sorry you don't have a legitimate issue and have to fabricate issues like this to try to support your prejudices. During Hitler's ascendancy and power, millions did not view him as a "fanatic nut case." Matter of fact he visited regularly with his close friend Pope Pius in Rome. I didn't say he was stupid. Most fanatics are pretty good a camoflaging it until they have sufficient power to accomplish their goals. Matt |
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