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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Bob Noel wrote:

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"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".

So I shows him several shreds, I does.


Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
entirely different things.


Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster who can't even tell
the difference between a claim and a fact.

Matt

Both of you make claims and no facts, like your boogie man in the sky and
your denial of A. Hitler's catholicism. One of you even cobbled up a
ridiculous analogy between the absent invisible god and the absent invisible
Jay. There are credible reports that Jay exists. I can fly to Iowa and
find him, he exists, but not your god. Your god is not in any of the
states, not even in the red ones. Jay writes here; your god doesn't. Jay
has an inn; your god has zip. Go fly on the angel's sides of the clouds.
Go play with your angels. And finally Adolf was a christian; get used to
it.

Larry --- Giving thanks to Bacchus, the God of Mirth, today for characters
like you

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".

So I shows him several shreds, I does.


Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
entirely different things.


Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster

It might be best to be anonymous with so many superstitious, hateful violent
xian kooks out there. True story in Alabama: a Jewish family requested
that their children opt out of school prayers and devotions. The children
were then abused by teachers and other children alike. Suffering from
vandalism and violence the family were terrorized by the good golden rule
xians of the community and constantly under the threat of bodily harm.
They finally had to leave town and move away. Series of articles in George
Magazine several years ago. If you want a reference, I'll find it for you.

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:00:01 -0500, Matt Whiting
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Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


"Show me a shred of evidence" he says, "that Hitler was a Christian".

So I shows him several shreds, I does.


Wrong. You showed him quotes of Hilter claiming he was a Christian.
Claiming to be something and actually being something are two
entirely different things.


Bob, right you are, but he or she will never understand this. I've
given up trying to reason with an anonymous poster who can't even tell
the difference between a claim and a fact.

Matt


Would you be referring to the kind of difference between the fact that
the universe is hundreds of billions of years old, and the claim of
born-agains that it is only 12,000 years old, and started with two
nudists in a garden conversing with a talking snake?

Those kinds of claims and factrs?

Or some other kind of claims and facts?

The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for serving
as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly and
that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That sure
does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider otherwise,
like the fossil record.

I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most knowledgeable
person involved in this conversation and I have learned a great deal from
your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but latest scientific
estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15 billion years old.

Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing myself.
If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some otherwise
intelligent people believe.

mike regish

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Would you be referring to the kind of difference between the fact that
the universe is hundreds of billions of years old, and the claim of
born-agains that it is only 12,000 years old, and started with two
nudists in a garden conversing with a talking snake?

Those kinds of claims and factrs?

Or some other kind of claims and facts?

ROTFLMAO.
What year is this?
I really hope you don't hold any position involving any kind of authority or
importance.

mike regish

" jls" wrote in message
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The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for
serving
as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly
and
that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That sure
does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider
otherwise,
like the fossil record.

mike regish wrote:

I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most knowledgeable
person involved in this conversation and I have learned a great deal from
your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but latest scientific
estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15 billion years old.

Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing myself.
If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some otherwise
intelligent people believe.

I agree. It is almost as funny as believing that the universe started
from a big bang (where did the stuff for the big bang come from?) and
the intelligent beings evolved from random processes. That is really
funny, but a fair number of otherwise intelligent people believe it.

Matt

Well, most physicists agree that there is no such thing as "before" the big
bang since time can't exist without space. But while they are able to say "I
don't know...yet." about what the singularity was or how it was, you have
all the answers, don't you. If you need simple explanations to wrap your
simple mind around, good for you. I'm glad you can admit your intellectual
limitations. Some people prefer evidence over faith. It's a lot harder to
do, but to some it's worth it.

As far as people believing in evolution and the big bang, believe it or not,
there is abundant evidence for both. But then, I keep forgetting that
evidence and facts just keep muddling up your simple mind. Sorry. I won't
try to confuse you with knowledge again.

You just keep that enlightened smile on your face and everything will be
alright. OK Matt? Go to sleep now. You must be very tired after such a busy
day.

mike

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:

I hate to disagree with you because you are obviously the most
knowledgeable person involved in this conversation and I have learned a
great deal from your posts and gotten muh more food for thought, but
latest scientific estimates put the universe at something like 12 to 15
billion years old.

Just a minor correction, but your point is just as valid regardless. I've
always gotten a kick out of that whole lump of clay and a rib thing
myself. If it wasn't so scary, it would actually be funny what some
otherwise intelligent people believe.

I agree. It is almost as funny as believing that the universe started
from a big bang (where did the stuff for the big bang come from?) and the
intelligent beings evolved from random processes. That is really funny,
but a fair number of otherwise intelligent people believe it.

Matt

mike regish wrote:
Well, most physicists agree that there is no such thing as "before" the big
bang since time can't exist without space. But while they are able to say "I
don't know...yet." about what the singularity was or how it was, you have
all the answers, don't you. If you need simple explanations to wrap your
simple mind around, good for you. I'm glad you can admit your intellectual
limitations. Some people prefer evidence over faith. It's a lot harder to
do, but to some it's worth it.

Singularity. A nice sophisticated way to say "we don't know." There
are a lot of things I don't know and that the Bible doesn't explain, but
there is a lot it does explain as well.


As far as people believing in evolution and the big bang, believe it or not,
there is abundant evidence for both. But then, I keep forgetting that
evidence and facts just keep muddling up your simple mind. Sorry. I won't
try to confuse you with knowledge again.

And there is a lot of evidence, archeological and otherwise, that
supports the accounts in the Bible ... and more is discovered every day.


You just keep that enlightened smile on your face and everything will be
alright. OK Matt? Go to sleep now. You must be very tired after such a busy
day.

Actually, discussion with you aren't taxing at all...


Matt

Ah...sorry. Didn't notice the from line and this is just the kind of thing
that the bible beaters actually spout.

mike regish

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:19:05 GMT, "mike regish"
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ROTFLMAO.
What year is this?
I really hope you don't hold any position involving any kind of authority
or
importance.

mike regish

" jls" wrote in message
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The snake was quite a beautiful creature, but then to punish it for
serving
as a tool of Satan, God decreed it would thenceforth crawl on its belly
and
that man would bruise its head and it would bruise man's heel. That
sure
does explain it all for me. It would be blasphemous to consider
otherwise,
like the fossil record.





It's sarcasm, m'lad

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:29:03 -0500, Matt Whiting
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And there is a lot of evidence, archeological and otherwise, that
supports the accounts in the Bible ... and more is discovered every day.



Could you provide a few examples of this?


There was a movie about it - you might remember "Indiana Jones?" Sheesh,
you must live in a closet.

(sarcasm)

This is a losing conversation - these bible guys will not give in and
nothing you can say will change that.

I just shook my head when a friend at work whom rejoiced at most of the Penn
and Teller "Bull****" shows, was appalled and upset when they took on the
bible. I tried to point out that believeing in aliens was about equivalent
to believeing in walking on water and turning water into wine. Neither have
any proof and you can blast the other folks when your own unfounded beliefs
are as odd.