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Taxi instructions
Went to RDG the other day because it had been too long since I went to
a towered field and I needed the radio practice. I was directed to fly right base to 36 and landed uneventfully. Upon landing, the tower asked my intentions. I told them that I would like to taxi back for take-off and departure to the south. They directed me to turn left on Golf to 36. Fortunately, I had printed out a taxiway diagram because I have been confused (lost) at airports in the past. A quick look showed me that Golf doesn't go to 36. I would have to go from Golf to Delta to Alpha to 36, also crossing 31 along the way. With my limited experience at these kinds of airports, I elected to contact the tower and ask if his intention was for me to use Golf, Delta and Alpha to get to 36. This was of particular importance to me because of the required crossing of 31. I know that a clearance to taxi to a runway also clears you to cross any runways on the route to the assigned runway but he was not clear from the outset what the prescribed route was. Should he have been more clear or should I have assumed that he wanted me to take all three taxiways because that's what you have to do to get there? I wouldn't have bothered him except for my paranoid vision of a potential runway incursion at 31. Thanks. Rich Russell |
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Richard Russell wrote:
Went to RDG the other day because it had been too long since I went to a towered field and I needed the radio practice. I was directed to fly right base to 36 and landed uneventfully. Upon landing, the tower asked my intentions. I told them that I would like to taxi back for take-off and departure to the south. They directed me to turn left on Golf to 36. Fortunately, I had printed out a taxiway diagram because I have been confused (lost) at airports in the past. A quick look showed me that Golf doesn't go to 36. I would have to go from Golf to Delta to Alpha to 36, also crossing 31 along the way. With my limited experience at these kinds of airports, I elected to contact the tower and ask if his intention was for me to use Golf, Delta and Alpha to get to 36. This was of particular importance to me because of the required crossing of 31. I know that a clearance to taxi to a runway also clears you to cross any runways on the route to the assigned runway but he was not clear from the outset what the prescribed route was. Should he have been more clear or should I have assumed that he wanted me to take all three taxiways because that's what you have to do to get there? I wouldn't have bothered him except for my paranoid vision of a potential runway incursion at 31. Thanks. You did the right thing. Better to ask for clarification than to misinterpret an instruction. If they choose to lecture you, just request progressive taxi instructions. |
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Whwnever you are unsure of a clearance you should ask for clarification.
You did the right thing. |
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"Richard Russell" wrote in message ... Went to RDG the other day because it had been too long since I went to a towered field and I needed the radio practice. I was directed to fly right base to 36 and landed uneventfully. Upon landing, the tower asked my intentions. I told them that I would like to taxi back for take-off and departure to the south. They directed me to turn left on Golf to 36. Fortunately, I had printed out a taxiway diagram because I have been confused (lost) at airports in the past. A quick look showed me that Golf doesn't go to 36. Did he tell you to "taxi to runway 36 via taxiway golf" or did he tell you to "turn left on golf taxi to runway 36"? The first is impossible, the second simply specifies the taxiway to exit the runway. I would have to go from Golf to Delta to Alpha to 36, also crossing 31 along the way. Actually, you'd have to go from Golf to Delta to Bravo to Alpha, crossing Runway 31 along the way. With my limited experience at these kinds of airports, I elected to contact the tower and ask if his intention was for me to use Golf, Delta and Alpha to get to 36. This was of particular importance to me because of the required crossing of 31. I know that a clearance to taxi to a runway also clears you to cross any runways on the route to the assigned runway but he was not clear from the outset what the prescribed route was. If other aircraft or vehicles are not a factor there's no need for them to specify a route. Should he have been more clear or should I have assumed that he wanted me to take all three taxiways because that's what you have to do to get there? Well, if that's what you have to do to get there, that's what he'll expect you to do. |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:38:21 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Richard Russell" wrote in message .. . Went to RDG the other day because it had been too long since I went to a towered field and I needed the radio practice. I was directed to fly right base to 36 and landed uneventfully. Upon landing, the tower asked my intentions. I told them that I would like to taxi back for take-off and departure to the south. They directed me to turn left on Golf to 36. Fortunately, I had printed out a taxiway diagram because I have been confused (lost) at airports in the past. A quick look showed me that Golf doesn't go to 36. Did he tell you to "taxi to runway 36 via taxiway golf" or did he tell you to "turn left on golf taxi to runway 36"? The first is impossible, the second simply specifies the taxiway to exit the runway. I would have to go from Golf to Delta to Alpha to 36, also crossing 31 along the way. Actually, you'd have to go from Golf to Delta to Bravo to Alpha, crossing Runway 31 along the way. With my limited experience at these kinds of airports, I elected to contact the tower and ask if his intention was for me to use Golf, Delta and Alpha to get to 36. This was of particular importance to me because of the required crossing of 31. I know that a clearance to taxi to a runway also clears you to cross any runways on the route to the assigned runway but he was not clear from the outset what the prescribed route was. If other aircraft or vehicles are not a factor there's no need for them to specify a route. Should he have been more clear or should I have assumed that he wanted me to take all three taxiways because that's what you have to do to get there? Well, if that's what you have to do to get there, that's what he'll expect you to do. Sorry, I missed the Bravo part in my description. He told me to turn left on Golf to 36, which is sort of a hybrid of the two choices that you gave me. I assumed that he wanted to me use whatever taxiways are necessary to get there, but I didn't want to assume myself into trouble crossing another runway. I guess I just need to spend more time at towered fields. Rich Russell |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... "Richard Russell" wrote in message ... Went to RDG the other day because it had been too long since I went to a towered field and I needed the radio practice. I was directed to fly right base to 36 and landed uneventfully. -----Snip Should he have been more clear or should I have assumed that he wanted me to take all three taxiways because that's what you have to do to get there? I wouldn't have bothered him except for my paranoid vision of a potential runway incursion at 31. Thanks. Rich Russell It was my understanding that a "taxi to_ _ runway" gives permission to cross all other runways, except the runway that you have been given clearance to. Right, or wrong? -- Jim in NC Jim, As I understand it yes, you are cleared to progress to the point specified via the specified route. In fairness however the controller should have specified a hold point where the clearance ended.. Andy |
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"Morgans" asked...
It was my understanding that a "taxi to_ _ runway" gives permission to cross all other runways, except the runway that you have been given clearance to. Right, or wrong? Uhm, perhaps I can venture a remark here. When I was flying at KHPN, where multi-runway use is not uncommon, I was told that it was not necessary to obtain crossing clearance on the way to the active runway I was cleared for. I'm used to more stringent runway infringement rules in other countries, I guess, and since it's no trouble to me I always stopped short of any runway and asked for clearance to cross at my position. It's a big busy airport, after all, and it is possible for some light arircraft popping up from behind the trees not seeing me in time. Sometimes ATC was annoyed at having to deal with my "unnecessary call", but I still think it's a good practice. Better safe than sorry... --FE |
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While hardly as dramatic, what you are describing is the set-up for a
chain-reaction automobile accident: one car suddenly stops, the car behind crashes into the car ahead, the car behind that crashes into the car ahead, and so on. Anytime a vehicle in traffic makes an unexpected movement, the probability of a collision or an impairment of traffic movement goes up markedly. When you are taxiing, ground control knows where your are, where you are going, the assigned route, and roughly how fast you are moving. They know the same things about the other ground traffic, and they take all of this in consideration when handling traffic. You are moving on a taxiway; there is a crossing taxiway ahead of you. There is another aircraft in motion 1/4 mile down the crossing taxiway and ground intends to have this aircraft cross your taxiway behind you. If you slow down or stop it will affect the movement of the other aircraft, which may well affect the movement of still other aircraft, and so on. Or there may be inbound heading for the runway you are supposed to cross. If you stop, it may force another aircraft to go around, or a following aircraft which is not expecting you to stop may rear-end you. What might appear, at first glance, to be a safer method may in fact be a far more dangerous method. Common sense would tell you to look before crossing a runway or taxiway, but stopping when not instructed to is not at all helpful... "Effie Andree Wiltens" wrote in message om... "Morgans" asked... It was my understanding that a "taxi to_ _ runway" gives permission to cross all other runways, except the runway that you have been given clearance to. Right, or wrong? Uhm, perhaps I can venture a remark here. When I was flying at KHPN, where multi-runway use is not uncommon, I was told that it was not necessary to obtain crossing clearance on the way to the active runway I was cleared for. I'm used to more stringent runway infringement rules in other countries, I guess, and since it's no trouble to me I always stopped short of any runway and asked for clearance to cross at my position. It's a big busy airport, after all, and it is possible for some light arircraft popping up from behind the trees not seeing me in time. Sometimes ATC was annoyed at having to deal with my "unnecessary call", but I still think it's a good practice. Better safe than sorry... --FE |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:05:00 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote: "Richard Russell" wrote in message .. . Went to RDG the other day because it had been too long since I went to a towered field and I needed the radio practice. I was directed to fly right base to 36 and landed uneventfully. -----Snip Should he have been more clear or should I have assumed that he wanted me to take all three taxiways because that's what you have to do to get there? I wouldn't have bothered him except for my paranoid vision of a potential runway incursion at 31. Thanks. Rich Russell It was my understanding that a "taxi to_ _ runway" gives permission to cross all other runways, except the runway that you have been given clearance to. Right, or wrong? That is correct. If the tower had more accurately described my taxi route I would not have had any hesitation about crossing the "non-active" runway on the way to 36. In fairness to the tower, they probably recognize this as the being the best (maybe the only-I don't have the diagram handy now) route to 36. Had I been a RDG regular, I'm sure there would be no issue here. As it is, I'm merely a low time pilot that flies mostly into uncontrolled, single runway fields. The "problem" here was my comfort level, or lack thereof. Rich Russell |
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"Norfolk and Chance" wrote in message ... As I understand it yes, you are cleared to progress to the point specified via the specified route. In fairness however the controller should have specified a hold point where the clearance ended.. That point is whatever immediately follows the word "to" in the taxi clearance. |
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