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I operated a certificated avionics repair station for years. When we
performed a VOR calibration, at the owners request, which qualifies for the 30 day check, it was a maintenance function and required the 417 documentation. FAR 91.171 (a) (1) is the reference. Both the words maintained and inspect are used there. I said that it is a maintenance record, not maintenance, as far as a pilot performed function. My comment only referred to the fact that it does not have to be in the aircraft. There are actually 6 ways to perform the "check", 5 of which can be done by the pilot. On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:40:07 -0500, "Barry" wrote: FAR 91.417 (b) (1) says you must keep the record for 1 year or until the work is repeated. A VOR test is actually an inspection and is considered "work". Where you keep it is up to you. It does not need to be in any particular place or location. It does not need to be in the aircraft either. It is a maintenance record. This is the first time I've heard anyone claim that the VOR check is considered maintenance. Do you have a reference for this interpretation? If a VOR check is considered maintenance, then we're in trouble (except for the pilots who also have an A&P), because VOR check is not on the list of preventive maintenance items given in Part 43, Appendix A. So if it's considered maintenance, but not preventive maintenance, most pilots would not be authorized to perform it. There are several other factors that indicate a VOR check is not maintenance: - FAR 91.171(a)(2) uses the word "checked," not "inspected," for the 30-day checks we're discussing here. - FAR 1 defines maintenance to include "inspections", but not "checks". - FAR 91.171(d) specifies record-keeping requirements that are different from those in 91.417 and 43.9 (no certificate number, for example). If the VOR check is an inspection, then you'd also have to comply with 43.11 and include aircraft total time in service, and the statement "I certify that this aircraft has been inspected ..." It seems clear to me that the VOR check is not maintenance, and thus not subject to the requirements of 91.417. Barry |
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I have pages in a notebook in the plane for VOR checks. That way I
have a record of how the VOR has been over a period of time. There's quite a few lines on each page .. no not much space to keep them for a while. "Ross Oliver" wrote in message ... So here's a question I had never thought of until getting my instrument rating and owning an IFR-equipped aircraft: how long should records of VOR checks be retained? Do they need to be retained at all? Can the FAA come to me and ask, "Remember that IFR flight to SLO you made 2 years ago? Show us the VOR check for that flight." This came to mind because the next VOR check entry will fill up the form I have been using, and I'll have to start a new one. So I have to decide whether to discard the filled sheet, or save it somewhere. Is there any value to saving these with the aircraft maintenance records? Happy landings, Ross Oliver |
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John R. Copeland wrote:
FWIW, my Apollo CNX80 and its companion SL30 NavCom both have internal storage for their most-recent VOR-check data. I no longer need to fill out the pencil-and-paper records I used to keep in my supplemental flight manual. One of the elements required by the FARs is the signature of the person who performed the check. How do you satisfy this requirement? |
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"Ross Oliver" wrote in message = ... John R. Copeland wrote: FWIW, my Apollo CNX80 and its companion SL30 NavCom both have internal storage for their most-recent VOR-check data. I no longer need to fill out the pencil-and-paper records I used to = keep in my supplemental flight manual. =20 =20 One of the elements required by the FARs is the signature of the = person who performed the check. How do you satisfy this requirement? =20 By entering my name in the "Name" data fields of the records. FAR 91.171 requires the person making the operational check to "sign the aircraft log or other record." Evidently, the Apollo people feel that the data-entry of a name is satisfactory in lieu of a longhand script signature. ---JRC--- |
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I keep a hardbound log book (airframe) in the cockpit just for recording the
day's flight info. Before take off I write down: Date Departing Airport Oil Level VOR checks Makes for a nice catelogue of flights, a great way to watch oil consumption and a handy place to put VOR checks. "Ross Oliver" wrote in message ... So here's a question I had never thought of until getting my instrument rating and owning an IFR-equipped aircraft: how long should records of VOR checks be retained? Do they need to be retained at all? Can the FAA come to me and ask, "Remember that IFR flight to SLO you made 2 years ago? Show us the VOR check for that flight." This came to mind because the next VOR check entry will fill up the form I have been using, and I'll have to start a new one. So I have to decide whether to discard the filled sheet, or save it somewhere. Is there any value to saving these with the aircraft maintenance records? Happy landings, Ross Oliver |
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What trend do you see? I've never had a VOR not check within specs but the
only trend I would care about is the first time it doesn't. To the avionics shop we go... -- ------------------------------- Travis "Otis Winslow" wrote in message .. . I have pages in a notebook in the plane for VOR checks. That way I have a record of how the VOR has been over a period of time. There's quite a few lines on each page .. no not much space to keep them for a while. "Ross Oliver" wrote in message ... So here's a question I had never thought of until getting my instrument rating and owning an IFR-equipped aircraft: how long should records of VOR checks be retained? Do they need to be retained at all? Can the FAA come to me and ask, "Remember that IFR flight to SLO you made 2 years ago? Show us the VOR check for that flight." This came to mind because the next VOR check entry will fill up the form I have been using, and I'll have to start a new one. So I have to decide whether to discard the filled sheet, or save it somewhere. Is there any value to saving these with the aircraft maintenance records? Happy landings, Ross Oliver |
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I can't think of a reason to keep them after they have been superceded. A
post-it note that you throw away with each new check, or fill up with 3-4 checks then start a new one, would be perfectly adequate. The record requirement for VOR checks is kind of an anachronism, really. "Otis Winslow" wrote in message .. . I have pages in a notebook in the plane for VOR checks. That way I have a record of how the VOR has been over a period of time. There's quite a few lines on each page .. no not much space to keep them for a while. "Ross Oliver" wrote in message ... So here's a question I had never thought of until getting my instrument rating and owning an IFR-equipped aircraft: how long should records of VOR checks be retained? Do they need to be retained at all? Can the FAA come to me and ask, "Remember that IFR flight to SLO you made 2 years ago? Show us the VOR check for that flight." This came to mind because the next VOR check entry will fill up the form I have been using, and I'll have to start a new one. So I have to decide whether to discard the filled sheet, or save it somewhere. Is there any value to saving these with the aircraft maintenance records? Happy landings, Ross Oliver |
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The record requirement for VOR checks is kind of an anachronism, really. How so? (I take it "anacrhonism" here means something that once was valid or useful, and no longer is, but still must be done) Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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Well, since practically everybody uses GPS, and radar coverage is
essentially nationwide now, making sure your VOR is accurate within a couple of degrees every 30 days, and also keeping a detailed record of that, seems a bit out of date. Kind of like making sure your buggy whip is in good condition every 30 days. "Teacherjh" wrote in message ... The record requirement for VOR checks is kind of an anachronism, really. How so? (I take it "anacrhonism" here means something that once was valid or useful, and no longer is, but still must be done) Jose -- (for Email, make the obvious changes in my address) |
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