Missing flight plans

Bob Noel wrote:
In article ,
"Michelle" wrote:

As to your question, it just seems so "unprofessional" and I think
unprofessional conduct by pilots is a big part of the reason GA has
such a higher accident rate than cars, and private pilots have the
highest rates among their pilot brethren.

A flight plan on file will reduce accidents? Please explain.


Perhaps it's an issue colloquially known as "mindset?" Not saying that's
the argument being attempted, but I could see the idea being somewhat
plausible.

On 8/4/06 10:14 AM, in article ,
"Michelle" wrote:

Yes I was, although I'll admit I file IFR for every flight nowadays.
Why do you ask?

Let me answer your question with another question: why do you file all the
time (why only IFR) now and not then?

As to your question, it just seems so "unprofessional" and I think
unprofessional conduct by pilots is a big part of the reason GA has such a
higher accident rate than cars, and private pilots have the highest rates
among their pilot brethren.

Michelle


That day was CAVU and I wanted the option of going where I pleased.
Additionally, I wasn't instrument rated at the time. But now, since I spent
all that money on the rating, I want to get my money's worth. I'm looking
for clouds now. In fact, I want to fly through them as much as possible and
get annoyed when it's CAVU and I'm flying. Plus, I need as much practice
working within the system as possible to stay safe.

I'm not sure how a flight plan would have prevented an accident. Can you
explain your reasoning behind that conclusion?

How does filing a flight plan equate to professionalism?
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Wizard of Draws wrote:
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I'm not sure how a flight plan would have prevented an accident. Can you
explain your reasoning behind that conclusion?

I'm not sure about preventing an accident, but since I rarely have
anyone that knows or cares where I am, I like to let flight service know
what my plans are.

Of course, now I just file IFR...but before that, I usually did file
VFR. I didn't want to crash/land somewhere and have no one miss me
until I starved or froze to death.

On 08/04/06 16:33, Newps wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:




Just to clarify, what I mean is can you show the regulation which states
that ATC is required to begin search and rescue operations if they lose
radio contact with an airplane that was on flight following.

Absolutely. Knock yourself out.


http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/ATC/index.htm

So, you're answer is "no". Got it. Thanks,



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Mark Hansen wrote:
So, you're answer is "no". Got it. Thanks,

Actually, had you invested 5 minutes, you would have found:

"10-2-5. EMERGENCY SITUATIONS
Consider that an aircraft emergency exists and inform the RCC or ARTCC and
alert the appropriate DF facility when:
[...]
b. There is unexpected loss of radar contact and radio communications with
any IFR or VFR aircraft.
[..]"

http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1002.html#10-2-5

Anno.

Mark Hansen wrote:
On 08/04/06 16:33, Newps wrote:


Mark Hansen wrote:




Just to clarify, what I mean is can you show the regulation which states
that ATC is required to begin search and rescue operations if they lose
radio contact with an airplane that was on flight following.


Absolutely. Knock yourself out.


http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/ATC/index.htm


So, you're answer is "no". Got it. Thanks,

Exactly.

On 08/05/06 08:45, Anno v. Heimburg wrote:
Mark Hansen wrote:
So, you're answer is "no". Got it. Thanks,

Actually, had you invested 5 minutes, you would have found:

"10-2-5. EMERGENCY SITUATIONS
Consider that an aircraft emergency exists and inform the RCC or ARTCC and
alert the appropriate DF facility when:
[...]
b. There is unexpected loss of radar contact and radio communications with
any IFR or VFR aircraft.
[..]"

That says "loss of radar *AND* radio". My question was with a loss of
radio contact only.


http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/ATC/Chp10/atc1002.html#10-2-5

Anno.





--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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"Michelle" wrote in message
...
As to your question, it just seems so "unprofessional" and I think
unprofessional conduct by pilots is a big part of the reason GA has such
a higher accident rate than cars, and private pilots have the highest
rates among their pilot brethren.



How exactly Michelle will filing a VFR flight plan reduce the accident
rate in aircraft? As since you mentioned it, do you file a drive plane
when you drive a car?

Do you always put not only words but entire paragraphs in peoples mouths?

In any case, let's hear it from the real pros (the people that get paid to
fly): How often do you conduct a flight without a flight plan?

How many of you take off without a pretty through pre-flight of the
aircraft.

Here's the point: I never said, or even intimated that not filing a flight
plan caused a crash; the point is the attitude and approach that proc take
that the amateurs do not.

Michelle S.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:50:54 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:


How exactly Michelle will filing a VFR flight plan reduce the accident
rate
in aircraft?

Not only will it not prevent a single accident,

Please point out where I said it would prevent an accident.

I don't see the value
of a VFR flight plan for other reasons in many cases.

Such as? Please!

Michelle

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Michelle wrote:

As to your question, it just seems so "unprofessional" and I think
unprofessional conduct by pilots is a big part of the reason GA has such
a
higher accident rate than cars, and private pilots have the highest rates
among their pilot brethren.

Just to clarify, in your opinion, not filing a VFR flight plan is
"unprofessional?"

"Yes", I think so...amongst other behavioral patterns.

Michelle