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"John Crawford" wrote in
: Yenc is suppose to save band width. No on my computer, all it does is flood it with useless unreadable garbage. Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. |
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Mitchell Holman
Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. JPEG is a file compression format, Yenc is an encoding system. Most all of the Yenc encoded files that my free newsreader, Xnews, receives are still JPGs. Bob Moore |
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:50:40 -0400, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article ): "John Crawford" wrote in : Yenc is suppose to save band width. No on my computer, all it does is flood it with useless unreadable garbage. Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. If you post a .JPG, you are posting it using some encoding system, MIME, or UUNET, or yENC or something else. You cannot just post a .JPG, USENET is a text-only medium and binaries must be encoded so that they look like text or they will not show up on USENET. You choose to encode using UUNET or MIME, depending on the default setting of your NNTP client; almost all NNTP clients decode MIME and UUNET and yENC. Some just decode MIME or UUNET. Some still don't decode any of those formats at all and must rely on 'helper apps' to decode binaries. (And to encode them for upload) When I first started reading USENET, my NNTP client at the time did not decode binaries of any format; I had to use a helper app. The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. MSOE users, in particular, insist that others not use yENC because their client won't read it. I tell 'em to kiss my ass. If you want to see _all_ the pics, use a client which will decode them, or get a helper app which will do it for you. If you insist on doing neither, that is _your choice_. You don't get to see certain pix. Like it or lump it. |
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yenc
"hielan' laddie" wrote
... ................................. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. .................................... May humbly suggest to a.b.p.a readers to check out "yEnc" @ Wikipedia and also to check out the references contained in the article. Opinions and conclusions will be per individual. I offer none to the group. My ***own*** is that yEnc is much-ado-about-nothing today, and non-standard to boot. |
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yenc
On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:39:35 -0400, Sj wrote
(in article ): On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:52:51 +0300, "G Paleologopoulos" wrote: "hielan' laddie" wrote ... ................................. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. .................................... May humbly suggest to a.b.p.a readers to check out "yEnc" @ Wikipedia and also to check out the references contained in the article. Opinions and conclusions will be per individual. I offer none to the group. My ***own*** is that yEnc is much-ado-about-nothing today, and non-standard to boot. Agreed ... but used by many so one either decides to learn how to deal w/ it or ignore it ... Exactly. If anyone doesn't like it, then simply killfile 'yenc' in the headers and it's gone. yelling about it is like blowing in the wind ... Let 'em yell. There ain't thing one they can do other than yell. |
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yenc
Actually, Thunderbird does do yEnc. Unfortunately, it only does files
that are properly formatted. I can usually see about half of all yEnc posts. hielan' laddie wrote: The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. -- Dale G Elhardt Cypress Ca If you love something, let it go… unless you're in love with a helium balloon. Those things don't come back, you know. http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=7702 |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:43:15 -0400, the Legend of LAX wrote
(in article ): Actually, Thunderbird does do yEnc. Unfortunately, it only does files that are properly formatted. I can usually see about half of all yEnc posts. hielan' laddie wrote: The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. I stand corrected. That means that it's only MSOE that has the problem. |
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"G Paleologopoulos" wrote in message
news:1251118387.485792@athprx03... "hielan' laddie" wrote ... ................................. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. .................................... May humbly suggest to a.b.p.a readers to check out "yEnc" @ Wikipedia and also to check out the references contained in the article. Opinions and conclusions will be per individual. I offer none to the group. My ***own*** is that yEnc is much-ado-about-nothing today, and non-standard to boot. Agreed. It's just another pseudo standard that few use. I hate it primarily because it offers NOTHING any of the current encoding methods provide AND that it has a tendency to be used for multi-part messages that invariably are incomplete. In essence, it does nothing. Remember (for those of you old enough) the wars over ARC, LZH, ZIP, RAR etc? What a waste that was and we still came back to ZIP, one of the very first standards. All the rest tried to be better but generally failed. |
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"Sj" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:12:10 +1000, "The Raven" wrote: "G Paleologopoulos" wrote in message news:1251118387.485792@athprx03... "hielan' laddie" wrote ... ................................. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. .................................... May humbly suggest to a.b.p.a readers to check out "yEnc" @ Wikipedia and also to check out the references contained in the article. Opinions and conclusions will be per individual. I offer none to the group. My ***own*** is that yEnc is much-ado-about-nothing today, and non-standard to boot. Agreed. It's just another pseudo standard that few use. I hate it primarily because it offers NOTHING any of the current encoding methods provide AND that it has a tendency to be used for multi-part messages that invariably are incomplete. In essence, it does nothing. Remember (for those of you old enough) the wars over ARC, LZH, ZIP, RAR etc? What a waste that was and we still came back to ZIP, one of the very first standards. All the rest tried to be better but generally failed. I disagree w/ you on this ... both rar's & zip's work nicely for me ... Yes, Zip and RAR are common standards. ZIP predominantly for the MS based systems (historically anyway). RAR tends to be non-MS specific, which I have no problems with. Beyond these two all the other contenders for the file compression crown have failed. Similarly, yEnc may offer some technical benefit (no idea what) but it offers nothing practical that can't be achieved by using default encoding methods. As for yEnc, unless someone complains about yEnc, I don't even notice its use, as my Agent deals w/ it seamlessly ... Mine will now handle yEnc BUT, as 90% of the yEnc posts consist of missing multi-part messages it's a mute point. And I'm not into DVD's, mp3's, warez, any of the big stuff ... Same here. |
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"hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:50:40 -0400, Mitchell Holman wrote (in article ): "John Crawford" wrote in : Yenc is suppose to save band width. No on my computer, all it does is flood it with useless unreadable garbage. Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. If you post a .JPG, you are posting it using some encoding system, MIME, or UUNET, or yENC or something else. You cannot just post a .JPG, USENET is a text-only medium and binaries must be encoded so that they look like text or they will not show up on USENET. You choose to encode using UUNET or MIME, depending on the default setting of your NNTP client; almost all NNTP clients decode MIME and UUNET and yENC. Some just decode MIME or UUNET. Some still don't decode any of those formats at all and must rely on 'helper apps' to decode binaries. (And to encode them for upload) When I first started reading USENET, my NNTP client at the time did not decode binaries of any format; I had to use a helper app. The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. MSOE users, in particular, insist that others not use yENC because their client won't read it. I tell 'em to kiss my ass. If you want to see _all_ the pics, use a client which will decode them, or get a helper app which will do it for you. If you insist on doing neither, that is _your choice_. You don't get to see certain pix. Like it or lump it. I always figgured that those who insist on using yENC for pics were kinda like those who put spoilers on the rear of their cars that won't go fast enough to be of any value. Simply put for show, looks, and status.... DaveD |
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