A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Aerobatics
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Outside loops in a Decathlon



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old January 27th 05, 12:51 AM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Outside loops in a Decathlon

I am relatively new to aerobatics, and I have been flying only positive
manuevers so far. I am flying a 1978 Decathlon with wooden wings. Can
some one give me some tips on flying an outside loop? Things to be
mindful of, and so on? I have the entry speeds from the POH.

  #2  
Old January 27th 05, 07:44 PM
ShawnD2112
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Start with a half loop up, it's less frightening. Start out at your entry
speed, straight and level. Roll inverted and push until you're upright at
the top. The key for me is to keep pushing!! It's a sick feeling to be
bleeding energy inverted half way up and think you're not going to make it
upright. It'll feel like the radius is really tightening up at the top, and
it is, but if you start to relax the forward pressure too soon, you'll fall
out of it.

Shawn
wrote in message
oups.com...
I am relatively new to aerobatics, and I have been flying only positive
manuevers so far. I am flying a 1978 Decathlon with wooden wings. Can
some one give me some tips on flying an outside loop? Things to be
mindful of, and so on? I have the entry speeds from the POH.



  #3  
Old January 27th 05, 10:36 PM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

What type of suggestions have you gotten from your instructor?

Dave

  #4  
Old January 27th 05, 11:50 PM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Thanks Shawn. Does it feel like you have to apply a lot more stick
force than the inside loop? I would assume so since it takes some
input to fly level inverted without retrimming.

Dave, I am not suprised by your post, but do you really think I need my
question answered with a question? My instructor does not teach any
outside manuevers, as he normally flies a Citabria. Other options for
instructors are a very long way away and expensive. What does your
instructor suggest Dave?

Jim

  #5  
Old January 28th 05, 05:00 AM
Doug
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

ShawnD2112 wrote:
Start with a half loop up, it's less frightening. Start out at your entry
speed, straight and level.


Good advice; however I'd start with a few days of push to a 45 or so
degree upline, roll upright, dive to get the speed back, level off and
repeat.

If this starts feeling good to you then do the half loop up as Shawn
suggests.

The idea is to gradually condition your body to the negative G-load.


Doug
Pitts S2-C
  #6  
Old January 28th 05, 06:53 AM
ShawnD2112
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

You could do that, bu I don't find a -3 G load to be that much of a problem.
For me it's the visuals and other cues that were a bit more disturbing when
I was starting. That's why I started with a half loop up. And, by the way,
I haven't had the guts to try a full outside loop yet!

Shawn

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
ShawnD2112 wrote:
Start with a half loop up, it's less frightening. Start out at your
entry speed, straight and level.


Good advice; however I'd start with a few days of push to a 45 or so
degree upline, roll upright, dive to get the speed back, level off and
repeat.

If this starts feeling good to you then do the half loop up as Shawn
suggests.

The idea is to gradually condition your body to the negative G-load.


Doug
Pitts S2-C



  #7  
Old January 28th 05, 05:13 PM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Why are you not suprised by my post? The reason I asked the question
was because as a relatively new acro pilot myself who isn't anywhere
near inverted loops I was curious about what advice your primary
instructor had given you, perhaps based on what he was seeing during
your lesson. I've posted numerous times asking for advice, but
sometimes find that the best responses come when I give others an idea
of how my current instructor is having me do something. Therefore I
was in no way implying that you should only listen to your instructor
and avoid asking on this group.

Dave

  #8  
Old January 28th 05, 06:23 PM
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Dave,

Sorry for jumping to conclusions. I was just ready to see a bunch of
replies that said "do it with an instructor first".

You make a very good point.

Shawn,

Yes, the second half of the loop seems to be the intimidating part as I
visualize the manuever.

Jim

  #9  
Old January 31st 05, 04:19 AM
Adam Cope
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Get ready to be cleaning oil off the belly for a while.

Adam

Adam Cope
www.dcaerobatics.com
703-623-9445


wrote in message
oups.com...
I am relatively new to aerobatics, and I have been flying only positive
manuevers so far. I am flying a 1978 Decathlon with wooden wings. Can
some one give me some tips on flying an outside loop? Things to be
mindful of, and so on? I have the entry speeds from the POH.



  #10  
Old March 2nd 05, 03:47 PM
yupyupxav
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

DOug,

I just arrived on this forum, but something really important is not to
pull too much positive G immediately after gone negative. -3 to +5 is
physiologically more difficult than 1 to 9. (loss of conciousness)

Xav

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:00:00 GMT, Doug wrote:

ShawnD2112 wrote:
Start with a half loop up, it's less frightening. Start out at your entry
speed, straight and level.


Good advice; however I'd start with a few days of push to a 45 or so
degree upline, roll upright, dive to get the speed back, level off and
repeat.

If this starts feeling good to you then do the half loop up as Shawn
suggests.

The idea is to gradually condition your body to the negative G-load.


Doug
Pitts S2-C


 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Info regarding Super Decathlon Markus Feyerabend Aerobatics 10 September 4th 04 07:03 AM
inverted spin recovery explanation Alan Wood Aerobatics 18 August 19th 04 03:32 PM
Snaps in the Decathlon Dave Russell Aerobatics 12 April 14th 04 06:14 PM
rec.aviation.aerobatics FAQ Dr. Guenther Eichhorn Aerobatics 0 April 1st 04 08:27 AM
rec.aviation.aerobatics FAQ Dr. Guenther Eichhorn Aerobatics 0 March 1st 04 08:27 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.