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Old June 25th 20, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Hello Nick,

For me, it was two and a half years ago; I expected several years waiting. So far, no surprises there.

PESZKE Company has been around for awhile. Quoting their Background link: In 2007 father and son decided to become business partners and set up a new company, with Grzegorz handling the design and engineering and Jerzy managing the business and sales. The first significant project was a 4-year joint venture with several Czech aviation firms, where PESZKE designed, developed and implemented into production 2 types of light sport aircraft - the GP5 and GP6. In parallel PESZKE has set up a production division producing carbon fibre aviation propellers, dedicated to ultralights and powered para-gliders.

Having visited the father and son, toured the factory and asked airport locals about the family, I felt comfortable placing my order.

Raul
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Old June 26th 20, 02:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 7:13:13 AM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:59 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 10:52:43 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Dear Augustin (please accept my apology if I got the spelling wrong),

In September of 2017, the wife and I visited the factory in Poland, met the people, saw and touched the glider. In 2018, we were in Ostrow for the WGC where a JETA was to compete; due to changes, it was not ready for prime time competition but was available for show and tell. Next, we saw the first USA JETA at the 2020 SSA Convention in Little Rock, Arkansas. The quality of the finish was wonderful. But in the factory's rush to meet USA shipping deadlines to make the Convention, some mistakes were made; these are being fixed with parts finally on the way, thanks to the re-opening of the factory and its suppliers. The Coronavirus has been a BIG NEGATIVE everywhere.

There have been numerous changes and improvements; all of which I welcome. One of the changes is a lower RPM motor, with a larger propeller and rudder. Yes, those delays, coupled with Coronavirus shutdowns of glider factories, navigation equipment manufacturers, and all other vendors, are a frustration. My controlled excitement won't help the factory resume interviewing construction employees (who left the country looking for work elsewhere). But, I'm a patient man.

Also, EASA changed certification requirements for aircraft over 600 KG. The Germans and French chose to apply these to aircraft weighing less than 600 KG, too. This added an additional six-month delay to all new gliders..

Our USA Representative wrote an article about his flight in the JETA; it is in the November, 2019 edition of SOARING magazine. He is a highly respected and successful competitor. Me? I'm just a Regional Contest pilot with only one National under my overly cautious belt.

We JETA owners, along with interested observers, are all waiting for word from our first USA JETA owner. As a comparison, a friend of mine waited over five years for his new Ventus, so I understand stuff happens; unfortunately yet predictably it showed up with a list of problems, including an engine failure on its first self-launch. With problems now fixed, the owner is joyfully self-launching and flying long tasks. So when my JETA finally gets here, it will provide me with what I want and need in this stage of my flying life. As far as these delays and improvements are concerned, I'll patiently wait; because I'm a positive thinker with skin in the game. So, I'll just keep teaching and waiting for a contest. Selling my LS6-BWL, with its disk brake conversion and winglets, will have to wait for prices to return to normal.

Raul


This sounds like putting lipstick on a pig: have any GP-15's been delivered to the US that have received airworthiness certificates? If so, how many?

Tom


Tom before you die I hope you learn that words do hurt and you are so quick to issue damning judgement. Sounds like a new project developing to me. Is you analysis of a V2C vs a V2CX the same, just lip stick. How about the Arcus and new Arcus. GP as I understand it is a new company putting out a new product. That is not lipstick that is business, which takes risk and money and much effort. I applaud what they are doing. However, for now I am happy with the gliders that have an operational history.


People are putting down real money with the expectation of getting a real glider. I have heard that there are over 30 orders for the GP-15 in the US alone, one of which is a friend of mine. He was given a December delivery date. I asked a simple question: how many GP-15s have received airworthiness certificates - you ignored that entirely. Do you know the answer? If so, I eagerly await your response. Otherwise, you are just assisting in applying the lipstick.

Tom
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Old June 27th 20, 11:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Never mind.
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Old June 28th 20, 04:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Never mind.


Excellent advice for yourself.
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Old June 28th 20, 08:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:37:42 PM UTC-6, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 3:55:40 PM UTC-7, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Never mind.


Excellent advice for yourself.


Seriously you and Daryl K. MUST be related....
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Old June 29th 20, 07:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Fair enough, although, I am accepting your bit of unsolicited life advice with a tad more humility than you afforded me. Thus my original point. Tom, it is not too late to calm that rather prickly manner of treating all you encounter.
Good day to you
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Old June 29th 20, 11:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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As far as I know, there is no European type certificate for any of the GP Gliders. I was unable to find neither GP Gliders nor the parent company Peszke as an aircraft manufacturer when looking in the EASA certification database. No TCDS - Type Certificate Data Sheet - available. Some or all of these gliders may fall under the (recently modified) ultralight category, where no certification is mandatory.
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Old June 29th 20, 06:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, 29 June 2020 13:17:56 UTC+3, wrote:
As far as I know, there is no European type certificate for any of the GP Gliders. I was unable to find neither GP Gliders nor the parent company Peszke as an aircraft manufacturer when looking in the EASA certification database. No TCDS - Type Certificate Data Sheet - available. Some or all of these gliders may fall under the (recently modified) ultralight category, where no certification is mandatory.


I think they have no intention of certifying it, it is national ultra light only.
 




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