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C Kingsbury wrote:
"Chris" wrote in message ... The FAA does not recommend that an examiner agree to act as PIC of a flight during a practical test. ( http://av-info.faa.gov/data/staticdocs/8710-3c.pdf ) page 54 That does suggest that flying in IMC is not what should happen on an instrument checkride. To me it suggests that the FAA wants to limit its liability in the event of an accident on a checkride. -cwk. Yes, recommending something isn't the same as prohibiting or requiring it. Matt |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:24:26 -0000, "Chris" wrote: No I am not suggesting that but the practice is not recommended by the FAA as per the examiners handbook; Would this be parsed as (1) "not recommended" by the FAA, or (2) not "recommended by the FAA"? It hardly matters but the fact is that the practice of DPE being PIC is something the FAA prefers not to happen to the extent that they put it in the examiners handbook. Therefore if something goes wrong then its likely a black mark for the examiner and if some inspector decides to have a downer on an examiner then it provides whatever evidence the inspector needs. |
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"Chris" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:24:26 -0000, "Chris" wrote: No I am not suggesting that but the practice is not recommended by the FAA as per the examiners handbook; Would this be parsed as (1) "not recommended" by the FAA, or (2) not "recommended by the FAA"? It hardly matters but the fact is that the practice of DPE being PIC is something the FAA prefers not to happen to the extent that they put it in the examiners handbook. Therefore if something goes wrong then its likely a black mark for the examiner and if some inspector decides to have a downer on an examiner then it provides whatever evidence the inspector needs. The other test is whether you say as a candidate to be an examiner sitting there with an inspector watching you, you brief the applicant that you want to be PIC so you can have the applicant fly the checkride in IMC. The truth is you would get busted as an candidate examiner for doing something that's not recommended so you would not, it would be done by the book. |
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But the examiner does not know ahead of time how the student is going to
handle IMC. The student could freak out and lose control in IMC. As an instructor do not take a new student in IMC until I have flown with that student a few times. The examiner does not have that luxury. "G. Sylvester" wrote in news:eDMud.41454 : congrats on passing. I'm coming to final part of my traniing and I can't wait. In the morning, it was still raining with a low ceiling. Since the checkride needs to be flown in VFR conditions, we had to cancel and reschedule the checkride. I'm fairly certain you can take the checkride in IMC. Of course it is also up to the DPE. I'm sure you need VMC for the 'bad attitude' parts but otherwise why not shoot approaches in IMC. If he doesn't feel confident to pass you under the hood, do you think he's going to sign you off solo? Gerald |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:54:36 -0000, "Chris" wrote:
It hardly matters but the fact is that the practice of DPE being PIC is something the FAA prefers not to happen to the extent that they put it in the examiners handbook. Therefore if something goes wrong then its likely a black mark for the examiner and if some inspector decides to have a downer on an examiner then it provides whatever evidence the inspector needs. My guess is that since there is a requirement that an approach be done partial panel on the practical test, that someone (rightly, in my opinion) thinks it's an unsafe idea to be doing them in actual conditions, and anyone who would do unusual attitudes partial panel in the clouds probably ought to have his head examined. But hey, inspectors having downers on examiners? What's that all about? |
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On 12 Dec 2004 20:13:52 -0600, Andrew Sarangan
wrote: But the examiner does not know ahead of time how the student is going to handle IMC. The student could freak out and lose control in IMC. As an instructor do not take a new student in IMC until I have flown with that student a few times. The examiner does not have that luxury. So in effect, the FAA is saying "We don't want you endangering our highly experienced instrument examiners because you might freak out the first time you are IMC, but we don't care if you endanger your wife and kids or any other unsuspecting passenger after you get your ticket, so go test your skills on them"? I don't think so. |
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From the DE's point of view, flying in IMC is a risky. What if the
student can't do it? He would have to take over in an airplane that he may not be familiar with. There are also the added unknowns of dealing with ATC. ATC might not be able to give the DE the clearances he needs to satisfy the PTS. From the student's point of view, well, personally, I would prefer not to do it. I have had enough problems with ATC to not want to add that to my workload. But, bottom line, it is up to the DE. Some have given checkrides in IMC. It is not prohibited. |
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:24:26 -0000, "Chris" wrote:
.. .. That does suggest that flying in IMC is not what should happen on an instrument checkride. There's also the question of the plane itself. One sage piece of advice my instructor gave me was: "don't take a GA plane into IMC unless you've flown it recently in VMC. Even then, be very, very careful if it's a rented plane." Putting myself in the place of the examiner, I'd certainly not be willing to take an unknown plane into IMC with an unknown pilot beside me. Tim. |
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:12:17 -0700, Tim Auckland wrote:
There's also the question of the plane itself. One sage piece of advice my instructor gave me was: "don't take a GA plane into IMC unless you've flown it recently in VMC. Even then, be very, very careful if it's a rented plane." Putting myself in the place of the examiner, I'd certainly not be willing to take an unknown plane into IMC with an unknown pilot beside me. Tim. Excellent point, and very good advice. |
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Hi,
I've just reviewed the latest PTS for the IR, and it's littered with references to "in simulated or actual weather conditions" which certainly implies that the checkride can be flown in actual. Derek... "Matt Whiting" wrote in message ... C Kingsbury wrote: "Chris" wrote in message ... The FAA does not recommend that an examiner agree to act as PIC of a flight during a practical test. ( http://av-info.faa.gov/data/staticdocs/8710-3c.pdf ) page 54 That does suggest that flying in IMC is not what should happen on an instrument checkride. To me it suggests that the FAA wants to limit its liability in the event of an accident on a checkride. -cwk. Yes, recommending something isn't the same as prohibiting or requiring it. Matt |
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