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NGA US navigational data at risk?
Has anyone seen the notice on the NGA website that the USFIF (raw
aviation waypoint data for the US) will be discontinued in October of 2007? They tried to kill DAFIF as a whole last year but eventually succumbed to pressure from the industry to allow US territorial data to remain available. If I'm reading this correctly, however, they're about to screw us anyway (read the second notice down from the top): http://164.214.2.62/products/usfif/v0008/USREADME.TXT I just sent email to their feedback address and am looking forward to their response. If you're wondering how this affects the average pilot, keep in mind that virtually all EFB and planning software (flightprep, seattleavionics, etc.) get their raw data from this source. I have no idea how these companies will source their data if the NGA refuses to distribute it to anyone but the "military and its contractors" like Boeing -- ahem, I mean Jeppesen. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I also find it interesting that they've chosen to do this right now...when the eyes of AOPA and other watchdogs are busy fighting on the user-fee front. I'll forward any response I get from the NGA. -Doug -- -------------------- Doug Vetter, ATP/CFI http://www.dvatp.com -------------------- |
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Doug Vetter writes:
Has anyone seen the notice on the NGA website that the USFIF (raw aviation waypoint data for the US) will be discontinued in October of 2007? They've been planning to do this for a year, unfortunately. The USA is now the land of the ... safe and submissive, I guess. Free and brave doesn't apply any more. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Mxsmanic wrote in
: Doug Vetter writes: Has anyone seen the notice on the NGA website that the USFIF (raw aviation waypoint data for the US) will be discontinued in October of 2007? They've been planning to do this for a year, unfortunately. The USA is now the land of the ... safe and submissive, I guess. Free and brave doesn't apply any more. what the **** would you know abotu it wannabe boi? Maybe you think they should leave four way range interserctions in pace, fukktard. Bertie |
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In a previous article, Doug Vetter said:
Has anyone seen the notice on the NGA website that the USFIF (raw aviation waypoint data for the US) will be discontinued in October of 2007? They tried to kill DAFIF as a whole last year but eventually succumbed to pressure from the industry to allow US territorial data to remain available. If I'm reading this correctly, however, they're about to screw us anyway (read the second notice down from the top): You weren't paying attention. When they "succumbed to pressure", they said they'd make USFIF available FOR ONE YEAR. This has always been the plan. In the meantime, the FAA is working on providing the data that is in USFIF that isn't in the ATA-100 data CD (namely, the airspace boundaries). -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ You've got to love a newsreader with a menu option named "Kill this Author". Does it work? And if so, is the death traceable? Nah, but Dave the Resurrector will just bring 'em back again. |
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NGA US navigational data at risk?
"The USA is now the land of the ... safe and submissive, I guess. Free and
brave doesn't apply any more." And this comment comes from someone who couldn't make a life for himself in the US and now lives in France? You should stay in France, renounce your US citizenship, and post on the French aviation newsgroups. |
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"Viperdoc" wrote in message ... And this comment comes from someone who couldn't make a life for himself in the US and now lives in France? You should stay in France, renounce your US citizenship, and post on the French aviation newsgroups. From his own admissions he hasn't been able to make much of a life in France either. |
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NGA US navigational data at risk?
On Apr 17, 6:27 pm, Doug Vetter wrote:
Has anyone seen the notice on the NGA website that the USFIF (raw aviation waypoint data for the US) will be discontinued in October of 2007? They tried to kill DAFIF as a whole last year but eventually succumbed to pressure from the industry to allow US territorial data to remain available. If I'm reading this correctly, however, they're about to screw us anyway (read the second notice down from the top): http://164.214.2.62/products/usfif/v0008/USREADME.TXT I just sent email to their feedback address and am looking forward to their response. If you're wondering how this affects the average pilot, keep in mind that virtually all EFB and planning software (flightprep, seattleavionics, etc.) get their raw data from this source. I have no idea how these companies will source their data if the NGA refuses to distribute it to anyone but the "military and its contractors" like Boeing -- ahem, I mean Jeppesen. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I also find it interesting that they've chosen to do this right now...when the eyes of AOPA and other watchdogs are busy fighting on the user-fee front. I'll forward any response I get from the NGA. -Doug -- -------------------- Doug Vetter, ATP/CFI -------------------- Hi Doug, You can get all the same data from the FAA in the National Flight Database, but it would cost you $150 a year to receive the CD ROM. Also, the data in in the ARINC 424 standard format, so you you want to know how to interpret and use this data, that will cost you an additional $252 to buy the ARINC 424 standard from ARINC. Isn't progress wonderful? There are definitely forces at work that are moving to price aviation out of existence. Between fuel prices, user fees, and rising fees for services and data, I think that GA is going to become only for the very wealty. Driving a car is getting to be as expensive as GA used to be... fuel prices have nearly tripled since 2000, but I haven't had a pay raise since then. Dean |
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If you consider yourself average or normal, guess again.
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NGA US navigational data at risk?
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Between fuel prices, user fees, and rising fees for services and data, I think that GA is going to become only for the very wealty. It moved out of the reach of the average Joe decades ago. I'm average Joe and it's within my grasp. I just have to turn tricks to get fuel money, but what the hell. Flying is great. |
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