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How can you hope to compete with the German University trained =
whiz-kid designers? Huh... I'll have a great mood for today! Laugh is good in the morning. = Stereotypes again... Have a nice day, Janusz Kesik visit www.leszno.pl - home of the www.css-leszno.it.pl |
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Wait for the new HPH 304(5)S and the 'new' SZD-56 (
read the daily bullitens from Leszno WGC for new developments planned The '56' is in the production already. You can always contact the = designer at: www.bpberes.com.pl I might give a wrong address, just typing from the memory. If it's = wrong, I'll send the good one later. This thread is just about some (umfortunately many) people whose minds = can't accept that the Germany, US, UK and few other nations hasn't = monopoly for a high quality production or service and the East Europe = which can intercept much of the production as we can do it at least = equally good and at the lower price. Regards, --=20 Janusz Kesik visit www.leszno.pl - home of the www.css-leszno.it.pl |
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intercept much of the production as we can do it at least equally good and at the lower price. Equally good in Eastern Europe? Like, Duo-Discus spars for example? |
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Guy Byars wrote:
intercept much of the production as we can do it at least equally good and at the lower price. Equally good in Eastern Europe? Like, Duo-Discus spars for example? Well, I would not judge all producers in Eastern Europe on the basis of one sub-contractor. Neither SZD- nor LAK gliders have had any similar problems. I guess the whole question of quality boils down to engineering and responsibilities for quality control. As in many other areas of business, excessive sub-contracting may lower quality, as the sub-contractors may not always take the same interest and pride in the end product. We all agree the Germans are good with glider design and manufacturing. But also Poland and Lithuania have long traditions with composite stuctures as well as research in low-speed aerodynamics. One should not dismiss the Slovenes or Czech either. Nils |
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And how many German Duos / Discuses were inspected
to see that they didn't have similar problems ? :-) At 15:42 03 December 2003, Guy Byars wrote: intercept much of the production as we can do it at least equally good and at the lower price. Equally good in Eastern Europe? Like, Duo-Discus spars for example? |
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Come on dont knock the east too much,some of the designs and proformance have
been very good,build quality crap, but then without materials! im sure ive seen some eastern manifactures walking around BQ looking at various hinges and screws,ask Tim Mc fad,and Graham Morris what they think of eastern build quality.Or better still check the BGA TECH page and add up all the M mods for both east and west gliders. The real issue is if your poor buy eastern crap,and if your Dad is rich get him to buy western over priced gliders, purhaps we could have some more nationals! or better still make the gsa fly the eastern regionals flying eastern gliders and all the rich people fly from the south and west with the best west gliders and we could all stay in The Best Western hotels and the poor with the gsa stay in tents! |
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Tanel wrote in message ...
Think a little bit. Do you call Lak-17/19 and Genesis2, HPH produced Glasfluegel 304CZ and ELAN/AMS gliders DG-505/1000 eastern-block manufactured crap? Lak-17 showed its perfomance at Lezsno last summer and it wasn't bad at all. Tanel (flown Blaniks Jantars and Laks- all so called eastern-block manufactured crap) John wrote: The LAK 17/19 and Genesis gliders made at the LAK factory are all very well manufactured products with a high degree of workmanship. They also use (at least the Genesis) parts and raw materials which come from USA, Germany, England and Sweden. Carpenter steel, AN hardware, Cleveland wheel and brake systems and hydraulics; springs from Century Spring. Resin and glass/carbon/kevlar cloth from Germany; bearings, bellcranks, pushrods, hinges, pivots etc. from Germany and the USA. Foam from Sweden springs and gas struts from England. What the LAK 17/19 and Genesis gliders DON"T have is tinkertoy wing spars which have to be bonded blindly and then aren't/can't be inspected for bond continuity after assembly. If the LS gliders get transferred to LAK they shgould let the LAK engineers redesign the wing so it has a good strong well glued spar instead of a maybe so maybe not upper spar cap. |
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Guy Byars wrote:
intercept much of the production as we can do it at least equally good and at the lower price. Equally good in Eastern Europe? Like, Duo-Discus spars for example? I believe SchempHirth actually owns the plant where the are are build!: "Die Mitarbeiter der Filiale Chocen, welche seit 1997 unter dem Namen Schempp-Hirth Vyroba Letadel firmiert, waren vorher im Flugzeugbau des bekannten Herstellers ORLICAN tätig und sind im Rahmen von Strukturumwandlungen als egenständiger Betrieb von Schempp-Hirth übernommenen worden. Laufende Schulungen im Stammhaus und Qualitätssicherungsmaßnahmen vor Ort waren natürlich von Anbeginn der wichtigste Bestandteil der Kooperation und sind heute die Basis einer vorsichtigen Expansionspolitik über die Landesgrenzen hinaus." Its a snip from: http://www.schempp-hirth.com/de/unte...e13/index.html If they got qualityproblems, then its a SH problem! Best regards Peter |
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